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HomeAircraftHelicopterHIROBOOther › ccpm or HPm. thats the question of evo 50?
02-07-2006 06:56 PM  12 years agoPost 1
saitoflyer

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ccpm or non?? whats the benefit of both or the con of it???

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02-07-2006 07:09 PM  12 years agoPost 2
Donkey

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CCPM faster cyclic and collective

HPM eaisier to set up No interation to work out

Both fly great I have one of each

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02-07-2006 07:24 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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The SWM is silly fast,for hard 3D its the way to fly. You can use some weight in the paddles,if it's too fast. The collective is faster on the SWM also.

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02-07-2006 08:01 PM  12 years agoPost 4
BarracudaHockey

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The collective is faster on the SWM also.
That aint no lie.

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02-11-2006 03:03 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Chopper Man100

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SWM, CCPM, HPM
what is SWM, I haven't heard of it before. If its fast for 3D, I want it.

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02-11-2006 03:09 PM  12 years agoPost 6
spritefiend

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swm = ccpm

edit: it uses a 120deg swash with 3 sevos manipulating the swashplate together.

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02-11-2006 03:26 PM  12 years agoPost 7
DS 8717

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The SWM version is so fast, you will be using settings to slow it down a bit. You dont even need fast servo's. DOUG

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02-11-2006 04:03 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Chopper Man100

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So CCPM is the same
as SWM? I wonder why its called SWM versious CCPM. Is there any threads on here that have pictures of the differences?

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02-11-2006 04:57 PM  12 years agoPost 9
DS 8717

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Heres a picture of the SWM version.

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02-11-2006 05:00 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Eury

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I can confirm that it's almost too fast. My first flight with my Evo after doign the SWM conversion was shocking. Loops and rolls were over in the blink of an eye.

Nick Crego

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02-11-2006 05:27 PM  12 years agoPost 11
racingstripe

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some of the mfgs have a different name for "CCPM".

CCPM = cyclic collective pitch mixing
SWM = "SWash Mode" (Hirobo, 120deg. elec. mix)
HPM = "Hirobo Pitch up Mechanism" (Hirobo mech. mix)
MMS = "Mechanical Mix System" (Kyosho)
EMS = "Electronic Mix System" (Kyosho)

andy-

Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

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02-11-2006 05:34 PM  12 years agoPost 12
FireStarter

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When you all say the CCPM is faster on the cyclics do you mean that it's quicker to respond or does it have a faster overall roll/flip rate?

How many degrees cyclic can you get on it??

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02-11-2006 05:58 PM  12 years agoPost 13
racingstripe

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All things being equal HPM vs. SWM (same paddle weight & cyclic pitch), cyclic rate is unchanged.

It takes less time to change from one extreme to the other, response is faster.

For example:
HPM
+11 to -11 collective requires about 60 deg. of servo rotation.
A 9252 servo can do this in .14 second.

SWM (with 9252's on each corner)
+11 to -11 collective, may only require 30 deg. of servo rotation.
The response time is cut in half (.07 second).

Similar is true for cyclics.

andy-

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02-14-2006 09:28 AM  12 years agoPost 14
lijin

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almost no difference in flight
I just have both the HPM and SWM sceadu. Yes, the SWM should move faster in theory. But I do not feel it clearly in the actual flight. But the SWM is easy to maintain. But the SWM sceadu is tail heavy. I put almost 80g weight in the head to make it balanced. But if you are a beginer, the SWM is difficult fot you to set. I use a special tool of KS 1117 to make the swashplate horizental. And maybe there is still a littler interaction. But you do not feel it in flight. But it may influence you if you like F3C mode.

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02-14-2006 10:19 AM  12 years agoPost 15
Dr Lodge

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I love the simplicity of the HPM/mCCPM setup, fit a fast collective servo and its way fast enough.

Vibe 90, Vibe 50, Vigor CS x2,
Dyna-x, Knight 503D, Logo 10,
TRex 500, Furion, Gaui EP200

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02-19-2006 02:44 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Chopper Man100

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On the Edge
of ordering the CCPM conversion kit, I like the idea of the quick response.

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02-19-2006 02:53 PM  12 years agoPost 17
z11355

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For example:
HPM
+11 to -11 collective requires about 60 deg. of servo rotation.
A 9252 servo can do this in .14 second.

SWM (with 9252's on each corner)
+11 to -11 collective, may only require 30 deg. of servo rotation.
The response time is cut in half (.07 second).

Similar is true for cyclics.
Not seeing it. It would be true for cyclics ONLY.

for collective, not so, you still need to move the swash
physically from min to max so the servo speed doesn't come into
play. On cyclic, you are halving the required throws.

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02-19-2006 05:10 PM  12 years agoPost 18
JKL

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Not seeing it on cyclics either. Single servo on mechanical set up only moves 30 degrees from center to full throw either direction. The power is the only increase because of multiple servos for each movement.
I have been wrong before, but this is the way I understand it.

Jay

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02-19-2006 05:22 PM  12 years agoPost 19
z11355

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I should drink more coffee before I post

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02-19-2006 05:31 PM  12 years agoPost 20
JKL

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I had two before that post. I fully understand!

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