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02-07-2006 04:43 AM  12 years agoPost 1
HUTCH964

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AP Public Service Nation Wide Effort Starting Now
I would like to start something new to offer public support for search & Rescue like AirFoil has done for years and I think every one here that has an AP rig should/could offer a minimum of 1 hrs a month or what ever you can really to help our citizens out.
I come from many years of public service as a Medic/Fire Fighter and Law Enforcement side of it & it was so rewarding to help others I can’t get that out of my system so I want to start it in AP with the help of Airfoil & HeliCamSolutions & who ever has a mount from any other manufacture to join this effort in a nation wide “World Wide” effort to help Public service entities.
I'm getting ready to put a demo together for the local officials in my area and thought with the support of everyone here with a AP rig could change the way search & rescue is done like AF has done many years! I hope John & his team will get on board with this National Effort!

I also think this will help us all be more civil to each other in the future on RR !

Please don’t get me wrong here fellas I still like to make money but here is not the place in public service besides you can help yourself with tax write offs !!!

Who is in?

BTW: I have no Idea what to call this organization a little help in that dept. Please.

This would be like http://www.texasequusearch.org/index.html here in Texas or your area.

This is our chance to work together!


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02-07-2006 04:48 AM  12 years agoPost 2
xcellgasman101

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I'm with you Tim,, I would love nothing more that to be able to help someone out that is less fortunate than myself, with someone missing or lost,or what ever the case,, I will offer my assistance, At any time,, \
Great post and Idea Tim,, You DA Man,, XGM

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02-07-2006 05:14 AM  12 years agoPost 3
uh60ce

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That sounds like a great idea . I'm all for volunteering to a worth while cause especially something like that. As a side benefit the exposure from doing things like that couldn't hurt either not to mention the warm fuzzy feeling you get from doing something worthwhile. Who knows, you might get a lot of flying time in doing things you wouldn't normally do not to mention a chance to help others which is the best feeling of all.

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02-08-2006 03:37 AM  12 years agoPost 4
flybarless

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Hutch964,
Great idea, count me in as well.
What we need to do is get some of the manufacturers of the thermal imaging cameras to work with us a little. Those cameras are big bucks, and with a little planning they could be regionalized with rescue teams. I am also EMS/SAR and would love to be able to combine my hobby with the services.
I am currently working with the local accident investigation team to do AP for scene documentation.

Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would fall off.

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02-08-2006 04:18 AM  12 years agoPost 5
AirFoil Aerial Systems

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Great Exposure

I want to let you guys know that having that ability will make you a hero and I'm not kidding. I'm not saying we are but I have worked on tons of searches with SAR's teams and when you have people asking have you guys found anything yet or promise you won't leave till you find them kind of shows you the difference you can make.

Thermal Imagining is hands down the best exposure our company has ever had. Get the agency's around to back you and be the pilot.

We are having a homeland security conference in Quincy next month and we are the spot light they are going to be talking about. We were ask to bring demo DVD's and if we would fly a live search and rescue which we are.

If there's any way AirFoil can help don't hesitate to call. This type of exposure will give this industry a huge push fast when you're helping authorities.

John

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02-08-2006 04:34 AM  12 years agoPost 6
HUTCH964

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Dang John!
Thanks for the response & the offer to help this get off the ground!
this will certainly will be great for everyone to jump onboard to help our Nation of Great citizens.

That is my plan to get involved with the local government to help them out & make it Safe for authorities as well as the people were looking for or trying to keep safe!

My next step is to find a way to have some agency’s to buy the Thermal camera & I can fly it for them! but I know there will have to be Trust built up in a big way to get that kind of help from them !

So it starts Now!!


Thanks for all who have posted here already this will be the best thing we can do for our community!

I would do this type of work FREE all day long if I didn't have to work for a living!!

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Tim

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02-08-2006 04:51 AM  12 years agoPost 7
fitenfyr

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This is a good idea.

One of the things I am working on right now with our local department is a pilot (no pun intended) program to ad high resolution low altitude images to their GIS database.
If you are not familiar with GIS it is esentially an electronic "map" of the area. It can plot different things and in the case of the system I am working on it will allow online updated information to the engine or onscene commander.
We are going to hit a few of the higher risk occupancies in my county things like the local high school, water treament plant etc.
Places where at o'dark thirty in the morning the crews would like to have a daylight picture to reference and such.
If this works out well the company that is doing this is working towards a nationwide availability fo the system.
The system is geared towards departments that cannot afford to have their own GIS put in place.
I have not seen the software working as of yet, but I understand it works off the same kind of images as Google earth.

So besides thermal imaging there maybe other things you can do to help out the departments.

I am also hoping to get Bullard to work with me on adapting a mount to allow one of the common Bullard hand held imagers to be flown. There is a handle system that will allow the unit to transmit images back to the command post.
My call to them last year got me no where so I am hoping this year with some help from the fire chiefs I can get that concept a bit farther.
The reason I am pushing that route is there would be little cost to you or the departments to get thermal imaging up and running.
Most departments have the Bullard hand helds or real similar units.

Alas though too many ideas and not enough time.

Jason Stiffey
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02-08-2006 03:00 PM  12 years agoPost 8
aambrose

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Very cool topic!
Last year, I gave several local police and fire departments our business cards. I explained to them what we have and what we can do. I have also told them that we would help them out strictly on a voluntary basis whenever we could since we arent available 24/7. They all seem very grateful to hear that there is no cost, but I think you have to actually do something with them to keep your presence in their minds. This year, I may try to set up some demos for them. John O., I know you're the guy who could give us all great advice on how to do this and how the specialized cameras can be purchased.

We had an opportunity to shoot some video of a fire back in August. We were called by a TV station to shoot the footage. In the end, we were flying directly over the burning building at the fire chief's request. It was so cool because he ordered all the water hoses be turned off while he looked at our monitor to examine the building from the air. There were 6 - 8 departments there and all eyes were on the GSR! That was such a neat feeling for me. It's one thing to take pictures and video for money, but to help the community out is a totally different feeling. The exposure was great too. We had some people thinking we worked for the news station while others thought we worked for the fire department! When I explained to the firefighters that it is possible to carry thermal imaging cameras on the helicopter, their eyes really lit up!

I'm all for this. Our (collectively speaking) equipment and abilities could really help out especially when equipped with FLIR/thermal imaging for fire and SAR! Finding a lost child/loved one for someone has got to be one of the best feelings! By doing this type of volunteer work, I think it also helps to dispel the idea that we are just playing with "toys".


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02-08-2006 04:08 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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02-08-2006 07:03 PM  12 years agoPost 10
AirFoil Aerial Systems

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I think it also helps to dispel the idea that we are just playing with "toys".
You said it best. When you use one of these machines and people really get to see how you just cleared a 10 acre field in a minute that would have taken the SAR's team and hour to do the toy factor goes away and its more about how much more efficient the team as a whole can be using a low altitude Thermal or Flir.

I can say personally we are the first call that goes out when the SAR's team is called and I have had so many members thank us for covering a certain area that would have been a nightmare for them to go stomping through.

On the Police side we make it so easy for them. When a drunk driver jumps out and runs into a field they just park and wait till we get there to locate him for them. Then its a simple walk in and grab.

The systems work and in our area are used 100%

John

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02-08-2006 07:24 PM  12 years agoPost 11
aambrose

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This type of stuff really gets me pumped. I'd love to be able to do that, but being on call 24/7 isnt an option for me. I'd love to have the Thermal or Flir capabilities and I've never done any night flying.

If we're doing this on a volunteer basis, how can we afford to purchase the expensive Thermal/Flir cameras? Also, do you have a dedicated heli for this type of work (ie. night blades, gasser, electric, etc.)?

Thanks!


Tony

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02-08-2006 07:53 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Smithprod

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Tony, I think you would want the service that you're piloting for to actually purchase the unit.

If I was going to do this, it would no doubt be a gasser. Remember you're going out at a moments notice and you would have no idea how long you're going to fly. Gas and go all night!

Brad

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02-08-2006 08:11 PM  12 years agoPost 13
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If the bandwagon comes by my house I'll hop on too

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02-08-2006 08:24 PM  12 years agoPost 14
aambrose

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Brad,
I was guessing the gasser would be the one to get the call most of the time, but it seems as though I recall John using an electric on a night mission once for whatever reason.
I think you would want the service that you're piloting for to actually purchase the unit.
OK, so you're local police department (Dept. A) purchases a FLIR camera but a department 50 miles away (Dept. B) needs you to fly for them on a SAR. Is Dept. A going to let you take their camera and fly it for Dept. B??? Does Dept. A keep the camera at their facility at all times??? I guess I just don't know enough about all the details involved.

Thanks!


Tony

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02-08-2006 08:34 PM  12 years agoPost 15
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In my opinion we have the best program out there right now. For a TV station to keep its license they must do 20 % public service required by the FCC. That's where we come in.

This can be a win win for everyone. We are on a paid retainer to be on call 24/7 by the station then when we go out we bill them by the hour. The great thing is the exposure, and every promo or event or show we are in we not only don't have to pay for a booth we are paid to be there. Can't beat that.

They get as close to the story as you can and at the same time we build up relationships with the agency's so they call sometimes even if we are not needed just to see if we want to cover the story.

Yes you need a GASSER READY TO GO! Most don't realize this means what ever you haul the equipment in needs to be setup to charge on the go and you must have everything charged and ready when you get the call.
Personally I love it and yes we have two GSR's setup for this only.

I got laughed at once because we were using a thermal to locate cows in a corn field after the trailer had broke and they got loose. I'll bet last year after that story ran we got over 20 calls to locate missing animals and it also lead to a commercial for a Deer and Elk farm.
To be fair to the station we billed $75.00 an hour to look for animals and $250.00 and hour to the owner of them. Lost cow not a big story.

The big bonus I think is its offered to all the agency's free! They love that word! So the TV station gets the inside scoop you make a lot of money and the community loves you and the station for offering it for free!

I get ask at shows all the time have you ever saved anyone? Don't really know we have located nursing home patients that have gotten lost and have worked as one of the tools locating felons and runaway's that were found while we were clearing the area.

Until you have been there and done it I don't know how to explain what it feels like but I can tell you it makes you feel like you have really made a difference in someone's life when you get into this.

Those who are serious and you have to be I will be glad to help in any way I can. We work a 100 mile radius and being setup this way we decide if we can be of help and we are offered to everyone.

John Ohnemus

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02-08-2006 08:40 PM  12 years agoPost 16
DANNO

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this sounds like a great idea

John O, when using the infared cam, can you do it during the day, or does it defeat the purpose because you could see the person/animals with a standard camera in the day?


I might have to put a little away for a gasser maybe....

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02-08-2006 08:53 PM  12 years agoPost 17
fitenfyr

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Tony,
Most of the time the cameras at least for the fire departments are purchased through a community "fund raiser" event.
Then each department usually has a mutual aid agreement with the surrounding ones that allows them to share resources.

The logisitics of the camera and where it is stored would have to be worked out by who bought it I guess, but normally the department that purchased it keeps it in service on their units. Then the unit is dispatched to the scene.

In my opinion the best bet would be to get all the departments together and work together to get the funding for a helicopter dedicated unit.

Jason Stiffey
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02-08-2006 09:16 PM  12 years agoPost 18
aambrose

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Geeze, I could sit and talk for hours about this! That's some great info John. And thanks Jason for your info.
We work a 100 mile radius and being setup this way we decide if we can be of help and we are offered to everyone.
That puts you guys in the Springfield area but not in the Pana area. Have you had any calls over this way (east)?
Those who are serious and you have to be I will be glad to help in any way I can.
What's your feelings on not being able to be on call 24/7? I can't quit my day job, but being able to help out when I can would still be rewarding.
The logisitics of the camera and where it is stored would have to be worked out by who bought it I guess, but normally the department that purchased it keeps it in service on their units. Then the unit is dispatched to the scene.
Makes sense but what if Police Dept. B keeps the camera at their facility and Police Dept. A (50 miles away) needs it for a SAR and we live in Police Dept. A's hometown? This is where the obvious advantage is owning the camera but they're pricey!


Tony

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02-08-2006 09:20 PM  12 years agoPost 19
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Great idea there Tim. You can count me in for sure. I have done a few community jobs already. It really feels good to help out especially when there is a natural disaster like a hurricane or a tornado.

Thanks,

Jay Gariepy

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02-08-2006 11:21 PM  12 years agoPost 20
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GREAT IDEA!
Please count us in for the Hawaiian Islands.
Aloha,
Urban

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