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HomeAircraftHelicopterCentury Radikal G20-30 N640 Hawk Predator › Raptor 50, Raptor 50, Raptor 50 thats all I hear
02-06-2006 08:44 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Tap or Snap

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Port Richey, Florida and Burlington, Wisconsin

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Good Day,
My question is, A friend of mine purchased a new Falcon 50SE V2. He is going to use the hyper.50 OS engine. The flying field we want to join, all I hear is get a Raptor .50 for learning 3D. Im not trying to put down another brand as I picked Century and Im staying with it. I think the FalconSE V2 is very capable of learning 3D. I wanted to post this question for and let my friend read the replies. I told him I would gladly purchase his SE Falcon if he doesnt want it and I will use it to learn 3-D. (If you aint burnin you aint learnin)

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02-06-2006 09:16 PM  12 years agoPost 2
jackheli

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Vancouver - Canada

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All modern helicopters are very capable and comparable, IMHO. All have their ups and downs.
Just go with whatever they fly at your field. Support is king.

I wouldn't be flying if for my buddies at the field that have the same gear as I do.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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02-06-2006 09:21 PM  12 years agoPost 3
IFHELI

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Woonsocket,RI

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Hello,

I`m a raptor flyer and probably will be for a long time but you can`t go wrong with Century bird. I had the chance to help build and fly the original version Hawk many years ago. That little bird was quite nice to fly and aerobatic right out of the box totally stock. I would also believe the Falcon would be just as nice but probably better since controls have less slop than the early versions.
There are flaws in every brand helis made if you look hard enough. If Tower Hobbies had been carrying thier line seven years ago, I would probably be flying a Falcon or Raven now. My early dealings with Century did sour me but that will not stop me from recommending thier Helis. A member in my club is looking to buy a heli and asked about the Falcon.I told him the same thing- can`t go wrong with it.
It never hurts to stand out in the crowd.

Keith

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02-06-2006 09:53 PM  12 years agoPost 4
NewHeli

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Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA

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Standing out...
I think the same thing happened at our field, but not intentionally...no one has the same chopper...we have an Xcell, a Hawk Sport, 2 Raptors (both AJ's), a Joker, a Caliber 30, several scale models...the list goes on. Don't be afraid to go with the heli you like or to go against the crowd.

NewHeli

Nathaniel Rice
Team YS Engines

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02-06-2006 10:00 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Gearhead

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Oh boy, give me a moment to put my fire suit on,,, OK,,,

I would say right out of the box the Raptor is setup for a little tighter 3D and it's a little simpler to build than the Falcon, but that's all I will give it~ no more,


who knows~ if my Raptor didn't wooff and blow into a 1000 pieces on it's 3rd flight maybe I would have flown it 3 or 4 more times...


now, I could go on and no,,,,,,,,, and on and on,,,, and on,, and on some more,, hell, I could make this a 3 or 4 page reply, but I will just say, that after reading the complaints on the other brand pages~ I'm quite happy that I fly Century !!


ged-er done
Jim

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02-06-2006 10:37 PM  12 years agoPost 6
bellecrank

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Today most 50 size helis will be mated to the OS50 Hyper engine. This engine is as powerful as some of the 61's that are available. Considering this, I think that any 50 size heli should be more of a "small" 60 then a bigger 30.

I think all 50 class helis should have a machined mainrotor hub rather then a plastic one. The plastic ones stretch into an oval shape at their base causing the whole head to rock around the attachment bolt. The Raven 50 and Falcon 50 are so equipped.

All 50 size heli should come with a tail boom that is long enough to accomodate 620 mainblades and 92 mm tail blades. The 600's were fine with the less powerfull 46 and 50 size engines but for the Hyper, longer blades can be a big plus. You will find that is the case with both the Falcon and the Raven 50.

A stiffer 4mm flybar system is really the best way to handle such blades. The Raven 50 and Falcon are one of the few 50 size helis that have a 4mm flybar system.

To properly handle the high tail rotor speeds we are turning today and to insure that the longer tail rotor blades are not causing overstress on the tail rotor, a proper triple bearing tail rotor with a machined steel hub should be used. Yep, that is what we find in the Raven 50 and Falcon.

The Falcon & Raven 50 come with composite mainrotor blades. Does the Raptor 50 V2 or SE?

All 60/90 size helis of consequence, including the Raptor 60/90, move away from the belt driven tail and into the torque tube driven tail....one like you find in the Raven & Falcon.

So in my mind the Falcon & Raven are both more of a smaller 60/90 then a blown up 30.

Well worth having even if the others in the club do not have one.

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02-07-2006 03:27 AM  12 years agoPost 7
Buzzin Brian

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College Station, Texas

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I actually do agree with that on most levels, except about the blades. The Raptor 50 V2 does come with carbon blades. But that is the only area where I will disagree. Otherwise you are dead on. And mostly for the reasons you have pointed out, I intend to aquire a Raven 50 very soon. But that was already planned LONG before your post. Still a good one though.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.

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02-07-2006 03:51 AM  12 years agoPost 8
Ray Fernandez

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Guam (U.S.A.)

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Nothing wrong with the Century Falcons. We still have four flying at our field. IMHO, the Raven is probably the better bet. I had several Raptors (30s and 50s) and thought of them as pretty good handling helis but my Raven just "feels" better

Ray Fernandez - GUAM

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02-07-2006 12:25 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Tap or Snap

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Port Richey, Florida and Burlington, Wisconsin

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Raptor 50, Raptor 50, Raptor 50 thats all I hear
Thankyou,
For all the replies to this question.

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02-08-2006 12:57 AM  12 years agoPost 10
AGRAV8

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Mosquito Coast......Houston Texas

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personally
Rappy 50's sit......my raven 50 gets to go play. Seems more like "radio suggestion" on the raptor, and the Raven feels "radio controlled.

GOOD guy list-39, BAD guy list-0

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02-08-2006 01:58 AM  12 years agoPost 11
Buzzin Brian

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Harsh James. Simply HARSH! True though!

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.

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02-08-2006 02:02 AM  12 years agoPost 12
AGRAV8

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Yep, Brian
I got a couple VERY low time but EXPENSIVE rappy's that will be finding new hangars SOON

Raven stays. Heck, I need another one to put this painted r-22 fuselage onto.

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02-08-2006 02:05 AM  12 years agoPost 13
RevGadget

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Rap30 was my first nitro, simple to build easy to start. It could do more 3D out the box than I could after I broke in the OS37. Now its a OS50 and the conversion was cheep, flys great.

I bought a Hawk for scale.
now, I could go on and no,,,,,,,,, and on and on,,,, and on,, and on some more,, hell, I could make this a 3 or 4 page reply, but I will just say, that after reading the complaints on the other brand pages~ I'm quite happy that I fly Century !!
And I'm sure YOU read the complaints lately about Century!

Now I don't want to turn your thread into Century or TT bashing. I started with Century micros and still have them. With the Hawk or Falcon, once you get past the fuel tank and starter system you have a pretty capable 3D heli. (not as easy to replace a clutch as a Rappy)

The point is to have fun with what ever heli you buy. Just don't buy one that is new to the market, and crappy parts support (LHS or Factory).


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.

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02-08-2006 04:24 AM  12 years agoPost 14
Gearhead

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""And I'm sure YOU read the complaints lately about Century!""

yeea, and very very few of those complaints are about their helis !!,

plus, I have NEVER had a problem with Century or getting parts from Century, and I know can trust my Raven in the air !!..

and as for the 30, 50's starter system~ I like it, I did from the start (so-to speak )

Jim

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02-08-2006 11:15 AM  12 years agoPost 15
RevGadget

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yeea, and very very few of those complaints are about their helis !!,
uhhh....what about the wire Torque Tube T/R drive.
performs like a belt?


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.

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02-08-2006 12:58 PM  12 years agoPost 16
SteveH

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Texas

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RevGadget,

The Hawk Pro does not use the wire drive. One of the upgrades in the Pro over the Sport is the stainless steel torque tube, and yes it performs much better than a belt.

The government cannot give you anything without first taking it from someone else.

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02-08-2006 01:26 PM  12 years agoPost 17
RevGadget

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Thanks to all for the input, especially from the Century rep's.

Tap or Snap, for a better evlauation, post your "Raptor 50, Raptor 50, Raptor 50 thats all I hear" in the Rappy forum and compare it with this one. I dare you, and I'll be looking. Not to start a war, but, lets see what happens if you do.


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.

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02-08-2006 03:30 PM  12 years agoPost 18
Trace

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Wildwood, MO

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for a better evlauation
I dare you
I usually don't respond to this kind of stuff, but this is just borderline troll even if you don't ask me.

If you like your Rappy's fine, I'm glad for you. This gentleman asked a question in a Century forum, he is going to get a Century biased answer. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what he would get in the TT forum.

I have a 2yr old Raven 50 and a 4yr old Falcon SEV1 both are just charge->fuel->fly, no drama no nothing. I'm glad you can get to your clutch easily, on the V1's you needed to. I can pull 6 screws to separate the lower and upper frames and get to mine easily enough (all the electronics stay with the upper frames). People have had customer service issues with Century, but good grief how often do you need customer service once a bird is flying? Obviously the majority of people in the Century forum are satisfied with their Century birds what did you expect?

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02-08-2006 04:53 PM  12 years agoPost 19
RevGadget

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I usually don't respond to this kind of stuff, but this is just borderline troll even if you don't ask me.
I usually do, for objectivity.
This gentleman asked a question in a Century forum, he is going to get a Century biased answer. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what he would get in the TT forum.
You do not know what responce you will get until you try it. I am the proud owner of both century and thunder tiger. It shouldn't make any difference which forum the question is posted in. The truth shall set you free! What is it? "This hobby is harzardous to your wealth". And heli hobbiest are better served by objective comments like those from jackheli and NewHeli which are of the truth that I like to hear. Not this Ford is better than Chevy type.
People have had customer service issues with Century, but good grief how often do you need customer service once a bird is flying?
It matters very much when you own one heli!


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.

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02-08-2006 05:20 PM  12 years agoPost 20
bellecrank

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RevGadget,

I understand what you are saying. I wish that these type of posts would be more informative relative to the mechanical advantages of one over the other and not so much the "Ford is better then Chev" opinions without extensive reasoning to support it.

In my earlier post I tried to only note the mechanical advantages one may have over the other that I liked. But as you pointed some negatives re: the Century, please allow me to point some of the negatives I have found (and all well documented in your TT forum here on RR).

1 - still seem to be having more then there share of clutch problems. The solution (better clutch liner to clutch tolerance which is a quality control issue)has been known and stated by many there since the first R30V1.

2 - Still seem to suffer flutter (woof and poof)problems with some brands of rotor blades. (again it seems that some there have the solution to the problem but TT has still to implement it in their 30/50 size). Again an issue since the R30V1.

3 - Tail guide belt pin problem - the pin sides out causing a number of failures.

4 - the tail rotor blade throwing problem where tail blades are thrown in flight because the long threaded retaining screw is known to fail - many change to hubs like on the Raven to keep this from happening.

5 - the number of reported in air tail boom strikes.

6 - the number of reported failures of the auto bearings on the R50/60/90's.

7 - the limited blade length issue on the stock R50 & R90 (using tail booms that are too short)

8 - rotor hub wear/rocking on the plastic mainrotor hubs of the R50/60 standards.

Yes, I agree, no heli today is perfect, they all have warts. But some have bigger warts then others, and some warts are chronic and have never been addressed, and some cause failures that can prove dangerous.

All in all, the Century helis do quite well in the dependability, low maintenance, great flying and quality heli per dollar catagories.

That said, I do wish they would improve some of their manuals (though the Rappy manuals also still leave a lot to be desired)and the "knowledge" base of their "counter people" in California can be raised a few notches.But that is probably why they have so many reps to look after that area for them.

Maybe the clientel demographic is very different. From following both forums for years, it seems most are very willing to forgive, accept as normal and gloss over warts of other manufacturers but us Century customers and many others seem far more critical and less forgiving of Century.

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