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02-06-2006 05:22 PM  12 years agoPost 1
mdot

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I've been working with the simulator for a few months (Real Flight) and have saved enough $ to buy what ever bird i want.

Local parks / back yards etc..I'm going for an electric.

Reading this board, the TRex seems a popular recomendation for beginners, but at the same time, I've read that larger copters are more stable for beginners.

I was looking at the Logo 10. but now i'm not so sure... And every where I read the advice is for copters, that when I read the description, are labeled "miniture" helicoptors.

What are the best "full size" (i.e. close to or between .30s/.50s) electric coptors for beginners?

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Andy

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02-06-2006 07:34 PM  12 years agoPost 2
helibird

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Kind of a hard choice there. I've flown the TRex and it is a good little heli but is a lot more unstable then a full size 50/30 bird. If you really are set on flying in parks or backyards that's about as big as you want to go. I've owned a logo 10 and it was an excellent bird, size wise it is pretty close to a 30 so I wouldn't suggest flying it in your backyard.

I like the logo and if you don't mind the money, it would be a pretty good beginner bird. The problem is the batteries, to get enough flight time to learn on you will need lipo batteries. They run 200-300 bucks a pop, and you'll need at least two. You also run the risk of damaging them in a crash.

I still think unless you absolutely can't find a place to find a nitro a raptor 50 would be your best bet to start with.

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02-06-2006 09:23 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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I agree...
Raptor 30 or 50. Parts are the cheapest around overall and are widely available in most LHS and all over the internet. I started with a Raptor 30 and refuse to fly anything other than Raptors.

Look at it like this (I'm not anti electric). One good LiPo is the amount for a Raptor 30 kit!


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02-06-2006 10:01 PM  12 years agoPost 4
mdot

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I've been weighing gas vs elec for alomst 6 months. the simulator put the decision on hold for a few.

for so many reasons, i'm set on electric even with all the very true things you guys said.

that being said, what other "full size" electric copters are there, I only seem to find the Logo...

newbie, Building a TRex, and am working with the G2 Sim.

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02-06-2006 10:05 PM  12 years agoPost 5
AlabamaRaptor

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I *think* Thunder Tiger is releasing a 30 size electric in about 4 months. I heard it from somewhere but can't remember where. I know there is a conversion kit to convert a Raptor 30 to electric. I saw it on one of the heli retailers on the internet.


Raptor Titan 50 -- OS .50 Hyper -- Futaba 7C 2.4GHz

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02-06-2006 11:35 PM  12 years agoPost 6
helibird

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Unfortunetly Logo is about as good as it is going to get for electric 30/50 size helis. There is a conversion from tppacks.com for the raptor 50. Maybe you could get a used raptor from here for cheap and then get the conversion. I've heard it has almost the same power, would be plenty for a beginer. The only other similar size heli's would be the quick heli's but parts would be tough to get and I've heard they don't fly as well as the logos.

If you are really set on electric I would go with the logo's anyway they fly great and parts availability is getting pretty good in the states. I would be prepared to spend in the neighborhood of $1500-$2000 for a well setup logo with three packs. If you are going to invest that much you might as well spend a little more and get a Logo14.
for so many reasons, i'm set on electric even with all the very true things you guys said.
What are your reasons? Not trying to talk you out of it but might be able to let you know what you are getting in to.

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02-07-2006 12:52 AM  12 years agoPost 7
oldboldpilot

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mdot, do you have access to an instructor with a buddy-box set-up who will be willing to log a couple hours a weekend with you (or whom you can pay to do so)? If you do, you can get the basics down, secure in the knowledge he will save the beast when you lose it. After that, you should be able to take-off and land and fly circuits reliably on your own.

This frees you to buy any electric you fancy, as with a good instructor, there should be none of this expensive crashing nonsense

You can't buy a better designed, built or flying 50-sized electric heli than a Logo 14 carbon. But she can only fly on LiPos - no crashes alowed!

The Logo 20 can be flown using NiCAD packs. You can upgrade to LiPos later. Check this out:

http://www.logoheli.com

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02-07-2006 01:03 AM  12 years agoPost 8
chuckhager

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I looked at the Logo long & hard, but in the end, I bought a Raptor 50 electric. I picked up a sweet deal on one, here on the Internet. It came with two battery packs so I was all set.

I chose a Raptor because parts are everywhere and they are cheap. I just couldn't swallow the cost of the Logo crash parts. I really like the Logos and I might get one someday, but I'm really enjoying my eRaptor 50's. Got three of them now.

Yes, the packs are expensive, but I look at it as if I was buying all my fuel up front. I think I calculated that one of my 10S2P packs was equal to about 13 or 14 gallons of good 30%. Yes, I know one crash could wipe them out and that would be like dumping all the unused fuel down the drain, but so far, I'm ahead of the game. (knock on wooden blades)

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02-07-2006 02:26 PM  12 years agoPost 9
mdot

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What are your reasons? Not trying to talk you out of it but might be able to let you know what you are getting in to.
I want to fly locally (in my neighboorhood park) But most of all, I Travel allot for work, and I'm looking to bring it with me. Finding fuel locally and dumping teh left over when I leave would be silly. Plus I've flown notro planes for about 5 years and tired of the mess and noise.

Thanks guys. I'm going to look into the eRaptor...the kits i've seen seem to add $400 to the base kit! but hopefully I can find the deals some of you have.

newbie, Building a TRex, and am working with the G2 Sim.

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02-07-2006 06:35 PM  12 years agoPost 10
helibird

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I faced the same problem when I first started, finding a place to fly near my house was tough. Unfortunetly buying a raptor or even a logo10 is probably not the answer. Unless your are talking a seriously big park (football field or better) and one that is out of the way where no kids or people will be, the bigger machines won't be for you. I would go with the TRex in your case. It will easily fly in a park and travel very easy. Yes it's not as stable but that will quicken up your reactions. Then when you switch to the bigger birds (not if but when!!) you'll be that much better.

It would be very dangerous to fly a logo10 or raptor in a small place with people (especially kids) nearby like a park. These things can kill and it isn't worth the risk.

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02-07-2006 06:58 PM  12 years agoPost 11
chuckhager

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I agree with helibird. A eRapp would be too big. Your first post did mention "local parks/back yards, etc."

But I was concentrating on your question at the end of your post. "What are the best "full size" (i.e. close to or between .30s/.50s) electric coptors for beginners?

But from what you just said, A T-Rex would be just what you'd want. From what I've heard, they're as stable as a 30 size, parts are cheap and plentiful, you'll get a lot of support since so may flyers have them, and it's small enough to take with you on trips. It's more of a park flyer and it won't break the bank for batteries, parts, etc.

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02-07-2006 07:10 PM  12 years agoPost 12
mdot

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all good thoughts. Thanks guys. I think I'm convinced the trex is a better way to go.

newbie, Building a TRex, and am working with the G2 Sim.

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02-09-2006 06:31 PM  12 years agoPost 13
DR YEN

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I don't think anyone mentioned about the Century Swift? Its a 30 Sized Electric, check out www.centuryheli.com


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02-14-2006 12:54 PM  12 years agoPost 14
Chas Coxsedge

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Don't think anyones mentioned the Robbe Eolo Pro, slightly smaller than the Logo 10, and therefore easier to handle in a confined space, also 3s2p lipo packs can be used which are cheaper than the Logo 10 packs.

Eolo Pro-Logo 10-Logo 14

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02-14-2006 02:35 PM  12 years agoPost 15
Yug

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The Trex is increadably stable although of course less so than a 30 and certainly anything bigger, BUT, it does cope with wind pretty well and cost a fraction to repair compared to a nitro. My Trex crashed a couple of weeks ago and its only cost about £100 (inc battery) to get back in the air. Thats more than a 3rd cheaper compared to the equivalent kind of crash on a 50.

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02-14-2006 03:19 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Nac

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There is also the x400. Same size as a Trex but with the weighted paddles, more stable out of the box.

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02-14-2006 06:37 PM  12 years agoPost 17
GroundPounder

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Yo mdot,
I have a Raptor 50, and a Trex, and some planks..........

The Trex is fine if you don't have much space, worried about noise, mess, well, you know that from planks.

The BIG problem with all electrics are batteries.
The bigger you go, the more expensive they become, exponentially it seems.
And you want to take at least 3 charged packs with you to go flying.
LiPo's need to charged at less than 1C, so you are looking at at least 1 hour charge, if you completely drained a pack.
Now you need a LARGE field battery, or hope your car battery is good.

My Trex taught me bad habits, all of a sudden I can't fly my Rappy far away from me.
I've put the Rexxie aside for a while now, I NEED to be able to fly my Raptor again!

GroundPounder

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02-15-2006 07:22 AM  12 years agoPost 18
RescueHelicopter

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think of it this way.... you may end up spending a lot of money on parts.... so get a heli that will be cheap to fix. Like a raptor or T-rex

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02-15-2006 02:45 PM  12 years agoPost 19
mdot

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I pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered a TRex XL HDE.

Thanks for all the great imput guys.

newbie, Building a TRex, and am working with the G2 Sim.

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02-15-2006 02:46 PM  12 years agoPost 20
mdot

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Any advise on how to set up my G2 sim so it mimics the TRex for a little practice?

newbie, Building a TRex, and am working with the G2 Sim.

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