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02-07-2006 06:33 PM  12 years agoPost 41
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WHAT!

Acebird what's your deal..
I told myself I wouldnt post in this thread anymore as it was really annoying to see you bash everyone without even contemplating that some of us may actually be trying to HELP you! First, nobody wants to see you get hurt. Second, some of your design aspects have been PROVEN unreliable or cost prohibitive. Third, obviously your not a mental midget when it comes to things mechanical, so why don't you just try to have OPEN PERSPECTIVE on things without the rude (and sometimes odd) behavior. You'll never know if all that information in your head is worth anything if your can't communicate to the community, besides, eventually no one will want to hear it. I've talked with some of the above members and they really seem like nice people, and very experienced, so relax a bit, before things go sour

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02-07-2006 09:01 PM  12 years agoPost 42
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avator...
All my experiences have come from working with and trying new things or studying them to the "Nth" degree. I usually overdo things to the point of it being obnoxious.
This was part of my post. I was refering to the fact that I'm sort of anal on certain things. Please don't attribute that to AceBird. We do see a pattern here, don't we?

Just thought I'd clear that up!

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02-07-2006 09:05 PM  12 years agoPost 43
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Acebird what's your deal..
I did not design this frame with the intention that it would immediately replace all the other options available. It never will. People will always have different opinions proof or no proof.

But as for help, I welcome the help, not blatant negativity. You say you have proof, I would like to see anything that vaguely represents proof. I have offered to show physical proof of how strong a spot weld in stainless is so you can see for yourself. Do you want it or not?

I would say most of the members are great people. If you have been following the thread, some have given words of encouragement even though they may not agree with all of my concepts. With over 1100 views in 9 days I detect that there is some kind of interest and it's not all negative.

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02-07-2006 09:20 PM  12 years agoPost 44
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For once, you're right ace, except, I don't feel foolish...I saw the word "obnoxious" and immediately thought of you. Call it conditioned response, sort of the Pavolov's dog theory.
This is one of the main differences between you and me, I can admit a mistake, you can't.

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02-07-2006 11:14 PM  12 years agoPost 45
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Is the end cost of a G10 sandwich frame that much different from a stainless unitized frame? If you add up all the parts to the standard Predator frame you are well over $200. The stainless frame is not going to be far from that price range. Initially it will be cheaper until the negativity slowly dwindles away.
Replacing the stack frames in an Intrepid costs <$90 and Bergen R/C is undoubtedly making a tidey profit off these....why sell them otherwise? so yea there is a pretty good margin. No bigee if you dont like G10..different strokes for different folks but once these are bolted together, there is no issue on rigidity haha another neet little feature is its an insulator

As far as slotted holes go good luck eliminating them, gonna be pretty tough as long as gears have to be meshed and drives have to be aligned. I think instances where people have had issues with other areas aligning comes from lack of experience and tightening everything as assembled instead of leaving things a bit loose then tightening after the entire assembly is together....maybe not though

hope ya noticed not one place I said the Stainless was a bad concept or shouldnt be done

as far as spot welds are concerned, the product we manufactured used strategically placed spot welds alot and they held up fine in mild steel

HEHE I dont intend on crashing (unfortunately some of my comrads know me better than this) so a bumper...well

anyways it looks to me like the tension in this thread is a bit much and time would be better spent burning fuel so dont forget to enjoy your heli and wish it many happy flights

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02-08-2006 04:53 AM  12 years agoPost 46
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""as far as spot welds are concerned, the product we manufactured used strategically placed spot welds alot and they held up fine in mild steel""

and what product is that, and does it create the sharp, short and fast high frequency vibration waves a RC heli creates, or does it have a long slow vibration like the rear door in a 98 Chevy van ??

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02-08-2006 05:10 AM  12 years agoPost 47
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ace the 1100 views in 9 days is for one reason only...

people coming to see the drama...

As for the proof, it now seems not many would give you the time of day to explain themselves to you, I for one will not, and your a real jacka## for undermining all the combined experience of rr members.

If the doctor tells you you have a gerbil stuck up your A%%, do you ask HIM for the proof? I think not.

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02-08-2006 06:52 AM  12 years agoPost 48
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Cant help myself, but, I ve seen this guy in action before, and its always the same, just like Avator says, this guy is a self glorified know it all, and yes the 1100 views are just people reading in disbelief. And in the event of a crash, you gona need a new frame, look what happens to cars that are Unibody, they are all spotwelded together, they are very strong, but you hit one side and the other is affected too, it bends everything out of shape, cause its all connected. Not like the old days when cars were bolted together, unbolt the affected part and replace it!! Acebird's post's seem to end up this way all the time, don't you think its you thats the problem not everybody else. I ve known people that can't get along with anybody, and they always think its everybody else's problem. Flame away!!

Victoria BC, Canada, Century Swift,Trex SA 450, Hummingbird V3.

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02-08-2006 02:45 PM  12 years agoPost 49
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Replacing the stack frames in an Intrepid costs <$90 and Bergen R/C is undoubtedly making a tidey profit off these....why sell them otherwise?
Well that is interesting. Then how come the Intrepid costs so much more than the Predator if its replacement parts are less then half of the Predator? Doesn't make sense to me. Is Century giving their product away and making it up on replacement parts?
as far as spot welds are concerned, the product we manufactured used strategically placed spot welds alot and they held up fine in mild steel.
Whoa! Be careful here. You start agreeing with anything I have said and you are leaving yourself wide open for a slam. Even though the fact is there are billions of products that are spot welded and used under extreme vibrations with no failures at all. Examples: relays, solenoids, motor housing, pump housing, paint mixing equipment, vibratory part feeders, rock crushing equipment, and how about a simple washing machine. How much vibration do you think there is in the spin cycle? When is the last time you have seen a spot weld let go in a washing machine that gets abused every day? There are billions of commercial applications that validate spot welding out in use today under a lot more stress when compared to a toy helicopter.

Crazy Horse, you may be crazy supporting anything I say on this forum. I would watch your tail if I were you, if you know what I mean.

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02-08-2006 07:44 PM  12 years agoPost 50
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Oh, this is good!!!
Oh yeah,
A comparison between a washing machine and a "toy helicopter". Well, if anybody on this forum ever remotely thought you had any engineering skills you just proved what a load of garbage that is. Where did you get your degree? Dewey, Cheatum & Howe correspondance school of engineering.
A washing machine that spins maybe 500 rpm's in a relatively balanced state isn't even remotely related to the stresses that an RC Helicopter undergoes which has spinning mechanisms at three different rpm's, one of which, is in the range of 14,000rpm's and pounding the crap out of the machine because of the linear recipricating mass that is never completely cancelled out by counter weight on the crankshaft, not to mention the tremendous amount of flexing the frames go through. But then, how could we expect you to know that, you don't fly them. You just hover and blow smoke up everybody's rear end or try to.
You may as well compare string theory to the mating rituals of rodents, which, I'm sure you know everything about.
The only valid comparisons made were, paint mixing equipment and vibratory part feeders. And I'm willing to bet they don't have any spot welds on them at least the mixers at Home Depot don't.
These statements just prove that you would say anything to try to convince everyone that you are right even when you are in a completely indefensible position. You truely are just a self indulging, self righteous, self impressed, arrogant, blowhard.
Give it up aceblob, we're wise to your act.

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02-08-2006 08:10 PM  12 years agoPost 51
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Jersey Boys don't take no BS!!
......WHOOO HOOO!........

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02-09-2006 12:41 AM  12 years agoPost 52
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in a relatively balanced state
If you had any inkling of what you are talking about we would think you had a brain. Unbelievable ...

Ace
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02-09-2006 12:57 PM  12 years agoPost 53
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And if you would stop playing with your gerbals and liston once in a while, you just might learn something. But then who could teach you anything, you know it all.

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02-09-2006 02:22 PM  12 years agoPost 54
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Anyone starting to look like a troll here?

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02-17-2006 03:47 PM  12 years agoPost 55
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Hi all,

Ijust got back from Florida. There is a great attraction between Tampa and Orlando in Polk City called the Fantasy of Flight if anyone is in that area.

One of the reconstruction projects is a Stenson / Valtase L1 (not sure of the last name) WWI airplane. This was very interesting to me because it is a STEEL tubular constructed framework covered in fabric. And don't you know the whole tail section is STAINLESS STEEL SPOT-WELDED construction. Amazing, WWI and still around! "Spot welded stainless steel won't last" ... Yeah right. This plane is noted for its ability to hover!

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02-18-2006 02:20 AM  12 years agoPost 56
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Hey, T. Fiddler...
quit fiddling around (I just had to say that) and stop making sense. I know what you mean about the 4 to 8 year college grads. My dad who was an electronics/main-frame computer engineer for RCA, UNIVAC and GTE. He knew more than all the college boys that worked for him combined, but they were the ones who always got the credit. I'm in a similar situation. I work work with (heavens forbid...TEACHERS) and you've never meet a larger group of dunderheads as teachers. But, that's just my opinion. Some are OK, others are so-so and then you have the clueless. The clueless ones are the ones that try your patients to the max!

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...this its my 600th post! Yeah!!!

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02-18-2006 07:28 AM  12 years agoPost 57
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my dad was a Master Electrician for some 35 years, he had many Electrical Engineers call him and hire him to do their jobs, yes these Engineers where younger and had less field time LOL ..

Jim

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02-18-2006 12:24 PM  12 years agoPost 58
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Tom,

There is a ton of wisdom in what you said, lets hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears.

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02-18-2006 10:29 PM  12 years agoPost 59
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These are just my observations and they have no merit because I have no degree in anything, except the school of hard knocks
This may come as a surprise to you Tom but we are not that different. I too have learned far more from personal experiences than from a formal education. Most people haven't a clue that I am actually listening because I always challenge opposing comments or ideas. It does two things. One, it gives me a warm and fussy on how well versed a person is on a subject. Do you believe everything you read on this forum or for that matter any Internet site? Of course you don't, opinions vary even when there isn't a right and a wrong. And two, it allows for an interchange with discussions where I get a chance to try and support my ideas. There are times when I have given up on my idea because of someone convincing me I was heading in the wrong direction. That may come as a surprise to you based on what you have seen so far but I can assure you it has happened more than once.

Many people have an "us" and "them" mentality when they work with an engineer. I have heard every derogatory comment that you could possible make about engineers in general. I don't hold that against them either. Usually I have gained their respect at the end of a project where as almost never in the beginning of a project. There is very little about me that you could claim is a typical engineer. Think of it as a profession, some are good and some are terrible. I am sure you have come across some people in your own profession that doesn't know what to do with a hammer. It's in every profession.

I also know my limits. There isn't enough skill in my life span to be able to put any given idea to the test. That will require someone that already has the skill and is willing to help prove out this new design. In the mean time I will just plug along on my own.

It is not uncommon for someone to want something better and at the same time be unwilling to change. You don't even have to tell me, I know you have witnessed this.

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02-20-2006 03:29 PM  12 years agoPost 60
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Look who's thumping his chest now!

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