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Home✈️Aircraft🚁Helicoptere-Century Radikal E640 - Swift 16 NX › should i upgrade from V1 to V3?
01-15-2006 12:47 AM  13 years ago
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cudaboy_71

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should i upgrade from V1 to V3?
century has a V3 upgrade kit for the V1. my question is should i? what's the benefit...all i see is it looks like the head bearings have a little separation between them now.
if it ain't broke, break it.
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01-15-2006 01:46 AM  13 years ago
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Maybe it would make sense to just buy a v3 and save the v1 for parts or sell it outright. The landing gear is heavier on the v3 also....Tom..... No "D" flying....
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01-15-2006 01:53 AM  13 years ago
cudaboy_71

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heavier in weight or heavier as in duty? why would i want to add weight?

in the former, i've had no issues with the V1's gear anyway...i actually prefer the pop-apart CF rod construction...crashes are usually in-the-field reconstructions rather than go-to-the-store parts runs.

the thing is, i have a tower gift cert from xmas still hanging around. the parts to upgrade are $12 and some change. if it's worth it, i'll do it. but, i really dont know what benefit i'll realize. if its all the same, then i'll just get another HS-55 for backup and not waste the $$.
if it ain't broke, break it.
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01-15-2006 02:18 AM  13 years ago
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Mine came with that head so I have nothing to compare it too. Maybe you could buy it for future use and the spare motor too....Tom..... No "D" flying....
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01-15-2006 02:24 AM  13 years ago
cudaboy_71

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i dont think tower sells the spare motor. i was looking for the gold label and couldnt find it either :/if it ain't broke, break it.
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01-15-2006 02:51 AM  13 years ago
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I think you have to go to Century for the gold motor. When you order a fuse from Century they send the longer blades and a gold motor with it.. So I have a couple of spare motors and blade sets... I also have cut the long blades down 25 mm which gave me more headspeed....
See if they sell the fuse kit maybe that is the way to go....
Tom..... No "D" flying....
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01-15-2006 03:07 AM  13 years ago
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Cuda, why did you just ask me since I am the one that put the V1 together for you. If you want you can give me your tower thing for the CF blades. I bought them from Tower any ways. The biggest improvement when compare the V1 to V3 is the ball-in swash. It will smooth out the whole thing and save your servos a lot of work. I think it was the swash that caused your servo to fail to begin with . I will look to see if I have a spare ball-in swash. I think I do since they come with the V2 as well. R U done with the Maxir and start to play with your V1 again?
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01-15-2006 03:34 AM  13 years ago
cudaboy_71

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g_f,

i was going to just ask you. but, i know you read here anyway...figgered you'd chime in eventually

i already have had the cash in my pocket for the blades for you whenever we meet up. so, the tower cert is like free money, if that makes sense

anyway, i have a few tools and other goodies already in the shopping cart. i just had about $30 left over after all of that to do something with...i was thinking either do a V3 and DD tail upgrade or do the DD upgrade and get a spare servo.

so, just upgrading the head from V1 to V3 doesnt do the ball-in swash...sounds like i dont need the head upgrade unless you need the V3 head to put in a the V3 swash *shrug* ???

not done with the maxir yet...its sprawled all across the dining room table...my wife's being very understanding...been there all week but, i have this week off...so, i'll get a bunch done...i was just trying to make sure i didnt run out of things to work on if it rains all week.
if it ain't broke, break it.
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01-15-2006 03:56 AM  13 years ago
garage_flyer

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I am taking my son to the snow on Monday. I guess I can stop by your house on the way. I will look, maybe you can get me some CNC 3D Pro stuff with your $30. I still have the DD Tail from your CP if you want it back. I will let you know by tomorrow
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01-15-2006 02:53 PM  13 years ago
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GF are you coming to NY with your son to see the snow? We just got some fresh snow last nite...It would be nice to drive to see the snow instead on living in the middle of it and having to snowblow and shovel....come on summer I want to get the boat out...Tom..... No "D" flying....
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01-17-2006 01:05 AM  13 years ago
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Cuda,
Buy a complete V3, you will wonder what the hell you been flying for the last 'x' months/years.

Flybar paddles are lighter = more head response.
Main frame is drilled = Lighter
Head is different with built in stiffener = got to be better.
Swash is different = must make a difference

Seriously, it flies so much better especially if you do the snipping blade mod and fit 3s1p Li-po's.
Go for it!!
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If there is soil going over the canopy, you're too low!
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01-17-2006 01:07 AM  13 years ago
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Oh, and the 3d skids are much better then sticks You'll just have to stop crashing.
SP
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If there is soil going over the canopy, you're too low!
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01-17-2006 05:30 AM  13 years ago
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Some truth in what SP said. Now you know why I trade the V1 to you . But with a few upgrades your V1 will be almost as good as the V3. Specially when you are getting all those upgrades for free
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01-17-2006 01:21 PM  13 years ago
cudaboy_71

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that do help

i don't care what everyone else says about you, g_f...you're ok in my book
if it ain't broke, break it.
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01-18-2006 01:32 AM  13 years ago
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What do they say about G-F?
SP
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If there is soil going over the canopy, you're too low!
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01-18-2006 01:56 AM  13 years ago
cudaboy_71

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same things they say about you SP

well, G_F brought over a sack full of goodies on his way up the mountain yesterday. i was smack in the middle of another build, so i didnt have time to play yesterday. but, today i dug into my little FP.

i was just planning on replacing the V1 swash with the ball-in V3 swash, upgrading to the V3 head and bearings, and upgrading the tail to DD. no brushless as that would require an investment i would rather put into something else. i dunno, i have an astro 9t brushless and a cc10 sitting on the shelf...maybe another day

BUT, i didnt realize the V1 swash is reversed from the V3 swash (aileron is on the other side of the airframe). so, that required me tearing down the whole heli and using G_Fs V3 mainframe so i could get the servos in the right geometry w/o a ton of cutting. (sorry, G_F hope you don't mind)

i think the single biggest difference in performance is in upgrading from the birdseeds (all four of which are on their last legs--none will get off the ground for longer than 20 seconds now) to a 2s lipo. as is typical with me, i forgot to weigh my bird BEFORE i started working on it. but, my AUW is 265 now...and that feels close to 100g lighter than before if i had to guess.

to answer my own question, i dont notice anything significantly different in the head...neither the head, bearing upgrade in the head nor the ball-in-swash seem to make that much difference in response. i think the best thing i could do would be to get faster servos or lightened paddles. the response on cyclic is still just a little bit spongy, though with the weight reduced so much, it is a little more squirrelly...just trickier to reign in now.

the DD tail is a major improvement. it was too windy outside to fly, and not enough room in the living room to fly circuits. but, my pirouettes are no longer geriatric.

the one thing that surprised me is how far i had to hang the lipo out off the front of the heli. with 8 cell nimh CG was directly under the motor. with the lipo the battery pack has to go about 4" in front of the airframe. i had to build an aluminum tray to get it out that far. needless to say a canopy on the thing now sits way out front and looks like a bologna with a rotor.
if it ain't broke, break it.
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01-18-2006 01:59 AM  13 years ago
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You didn't listen to me when I was at your house. The frame I gave you is a dragonfly #4. Let me know if the Swash doesn't work. I will get you another one 3D Pro? I have only "1D" under my belt, what am I going to do with "3D"?
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01-18-2006 02:02 AM  13 years ago
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Which head are you using? The one from V1 or DF? Now my friend you just built yourself an Dragonfly #4

I can bring you a 1500 Lipo pack, that way your CG will move back to where it should be. I will also bring my V3 and you can try to see if the V3 is better than DF #4
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01-18-2006 02:21 AM  13 years ago
cudaboy_71

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i'm crackin' myself up over here. i totally missed that when you said it i guess.

i already have a DF frame i acquired in a trade. i never really looked at it except to salvage some wiring and motors. i just went into my deep storage and dug out all the left over bits from that frame and its identical to what you brought over. ohwell...at least i have spares now. i have the complete frame, swash, head...even a shaft drive tail if i ever want to mess with that.
if it ain't broke, break it.
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01-18-2006 08:09 PM  13 years ago
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I would buy the V3 and sell the V1-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-
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