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01-12-2006 03:48 AM  13 years ago
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bellecrank

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Comparing helicopters
Occasionally when I am bored, I browse some of the other brand forums, some I used to brows frequently, and others that have just come on line more recently. It always makes me realize how glad I am that I fly Century machines.

But I always find it funny how many people there are who have relatively little experience in the realm of R/C helicopters and who are so willing to give opinions on different ones in forums such as these on RR.

How they may well say "A" is better the "B" without giving any relative comparisons of the two designs to make their point. I also think it a big compilment to a $200.00 heli like the 30 size Hawk Pro when people ask questions in other brand forums like 'What should I get to start with - a Hawk Pro or a "X" 50 size?"

Similarly when one with relatively limited experience with any brand can make any negative comments about something.

IMHO, no comparison is worth its salt if the design features of consequence are not all taken in context.

e.g. One may like his $300.00 fifty size machine and then go on to say that it flies great and all he has added is some $50.00 composite blades, a H/D spindle mode for $60.00, etc. etc. etc. And he has been having a great time with it through the 2 gallons of fuel he has so far burned with it.

Maybe I have become a little jaded after flying these things for 22 plus years. I do not consider having a decided view on a model until I have had at least 200 flights on it (in a 50 size that is after burning about 15 gallons!!). By then I will have found out how it holds together, what wears and what doesn't, how good the supplier is at getting me the parts I require etc.

This is why I have become a big fan of Century. In all my years I can safely say I have tried them all.

Not only do their heli's give the best bang for the buck, they will outperform and outlast all their competitors for the price and more! Some may say that is a pretty tall statement. But I can always back it up if the one listening is truely open minded.

Take for example the Raven 50 at $370.00. For only $70.00 more then the cheapest 50 size heli on the market, one gets many extras that would cost a fortune to add to the other.
a) A 6mm featheing spindle system
b) A 4mm flybar system
c) A two-stage power system that requires no critical alignment or balancing.
d) A stainless steel torque tube system that would be the envy of many 60/90 size machines
e) A well designed & machined rotor hub
f) A triple bearing tail rotor system that would also be the envy of many 60/90 machines
g) A constant drive tail that is very enduring
h) A set of heavy duty landing gear that would also be the envy of some 60 size machines
i) It comes stock with a great set of 600mm composite rotor blades
j) It comes stock with an all meatl swashplate that also can be the envy of some 60/90 size birds out there.
I could go on, but I am sure you all get my drift.

Heck adding all of these type of systems to the $300.00 of the cheapest one, would more then double its price!!!

And having now owned some Century helis for a number of years, I can safely say that I have found them to be very low mantenance, inexpensive to repair after a dumb thumbs mishap and have been very good with their parts supply (note: all brands I have ever dealt with have been out of parts occasionally)

So all I can say is bravo Century - keep me smilin'.
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01-12-2006 06:39 AM  13 years ago
Gearhead

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I reserve the rights to bump this thread 50 or 60 times, even more if I want


Jim
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01-12-2006 11:35 AM  13 years ago
Nightstalker

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bellecrank all i can say my friend is ur correct, i bought a century hawk brand new £100 and it was value for money and i was very happy with it and i had a hole year of good flights, never had problems getting parts and was very happy with it and would never have any problem buying another one,
good comments


steve
p.s in the uk we had a show call REMOTE MADNESS and Mark Tilbury won the contest with a century hawk
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01-12-2006 02:59 PM  13 years ago
Gearhead

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digcrap,,, please tell us more about show REMOTE MADNESS and the contest...

Jim
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01-12-2006 03:05 PM  13 years ago
RevGadget

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I reserve the right to disagree...problems getting parts
3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
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01-12-2006 04:03 PM  13 years ago
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RevGadget,,, again, Century is in the middle of a move to a new factory,

so with that, I will hold on, I will stick with Century and my all metal swash and my 4mm flybar and my $70 composite blades along with the rest of my $300 worth of upgrades that come stock on my $380 Raven

Jim
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01-12-2006 04:37 PM  13 years ago
unklpunk

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i recently put a raven in the air,...i have a garage full of rappy's in all different configurations. bought the mechanics used, installed some 3151's for eccpm,.. spare os50 and some small hatori pipe. very impressed with the way it flies, very stable, just took a couple clicks of cyclic to trim and it was hands off in a hover.
auto'd beatifully,.. until i let it hang 10 feet off the deck, and the headspeed dropped to much,... D'oh. The raven plus's (in my opinion) higher t/r gearing, 1.25 inch longer between the main shaft and t/r shaft, you can use 620 mains and 95 tails together, fuel tank below the mainshaft, what i belive is a better gearing for a 50, 9:1. the multi adjustable head, 4mm flybar, the raven with eccpm, has more of its mass closer to the c/g. Looking forward to getting back in the air.
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01-12-2006 05:05 PM  13 years ago
RevGadget

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Oh, I didn't say I was abandoning the Century birds. Even with the headaches from the 3D PRO, which I still own. All Helis have pros and cons. It just seems Century had more cons last year than the others I own.
3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
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01-12-2006 07:10 PM  13 years ago
bellecrank

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RevGadget,

I also have a 3D Pro. It does have an irritating habit of eating up the inexpensive sacrificial crown gear that is relatively easy to change whenever I bump the tail into a wall, ceiling or floor of the gym. But I still think it is better then any other collective MICRO I have experience with (MS and the Piccollo)

Century now is the only company I know that make everything from entry level fixed pitch RTF micro helis, to high performance micro. to a high performance 30/50 electric, to 30, 60, 90 & Gasser 3D nitros includinga great selection of painted and unpainted scale birds. And all IMHO are very good value, very good performers etc.

I guess that is because they ONLY manufacture helicopters. So I guess they must insure they do whatever they can to keep their customers relatiively happy. If sales in their helis drop off, they cannot sluff it off because sales in cars, or airplanes have picked up the slack.

Being solely an R/C helicopter manufacturer, their attention is solely helicopters so can be more atuned to the requirements of heli flyers.

As nothing is perfect, and increasing demands are always hard for any manufacturer to plan ahead of. I do understand how (like any other manufacturer) they can at times be out of some items. I see that happen in all industries...not just R/C helicopters.

What also amazes me, is how users in some other brand forums, are so much more willing to forgive delays, mechanical failure issues and other negatives from their brand, while these same people are quick to jump on the least little negative involving Century.
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01-12-2006 08:13 PM  13 years ago
Nightstalker

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the Wasp it was a contest that was on tv and it involved model cars and boats and helicopters. 2 teams would start buy racing cars round a track 2 times and then shoot down a slip way hit a barrier that dropped a model boat in to the water then they raced the boats around bouys 2 times and then run to the side hit a panel that set a flare off that was for the helicopters to shoot off and do 2 laps around and hit balloons and land the quickest wins,
There was other things the helis had to do like over and under poles and pick objects up and Mark Tilbury team was winning and at the end at the final he had problems with his heli so he used a century hawk sport and won, this was only filmed about 5 miles from me at the back of ASTON MARTIN company it was great fun,


In the uk i have never had any problems getting parts for my century or upgrades
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01-19-2006 04:23 PM  13 years ago
Clearance

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IF THE TRUTH BE KNOWN......
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01-19-2006 09:26 PM  13 years ago
Jack Skip

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Bellecrank,

Sounds like an add.

What about the Falcon? That one looks attractive to me. Someone somewhere suggested that the mechanical mixing avoids interaction seen in the CCMP units. For someone not aggressively into 3D, this may be a nice machine.
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01-20-2006 08:59 PM  13 years ago
AceBird

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Someone somewhere suggested that the mechanical mixing avoids interaction seen in the CCMP units.
Jack,

What exactly do you mean about interaction?
Ace
What could be more fun?
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01-20-2006 10:50 PM  13 years ago
Jack Skip

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I had read someone saying some interaction between cyclic servos would be expected. Requiring radio mixing to solve it. I am new to helis, and have little experience, so I am not exactly sure.
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01-20-2006 10:59 PM  13 years ago
Jack Skip

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Bellecrank,

If you are comparing helis, it would also be fair to compare customer service and support.

I have a Century Hawk Pro and have had an HORRIBLE Customer Service experience.

I contacted and began discussions with a Customer Service Representative (CSR). I then had no response to an e-mail between January 4th and January 17th. The CSR was at a Trade Show Fun Fly and there was nobody to deal with my problems. I got a call January 17th from another CSR, promising a speedy resolution. No response since then, despite calls and e-mails. That CSR is now out of office. More calls. No response from a call to the Manager of Customer Service.

I have had it. Century Service is very poor. And I think anyone making a heli purchasing decision should be aware of this.

There is also a Century parts shortage. And people also need to be made aware of this.

Now. Lets compare helis fairly and completely.
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01-20-2006 11:14 PM  13 years ago
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Jack Skip: Your call was roughly 3 hours ago and for some reason, there has been a lot of phone activity this today. We're sorry if we didn't get back to you right away. The CSR that helped you is out sick today so there was no way for him to answer your question when you called. Your case has already been taken care of and your parts have already been shipped along with refunds for shipping costs incured during this ordeal.
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01-20-2006 11:45 PM  13 years ago
Jack Skip

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Good news. Thank you Sir.

Soon to be back in the air. It has been 6 weeks. Cannot wait.
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01-21-2006 11:50 AM  13 years ago
Sea King

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Now. Lets compare helis fairly and completely.
Here is the Century Part of My heli's

Hawk Sport Fitted into A Century Augusta 109A fuse
Hawk Sport Fitted into a Century Jet Stream Fuse
Predator SE Stuffed into A Century Seaking Fuselage With Century 5 blade head and Century 6 Blade tail
Predator Gasser Will be getting stuffed into a Scratch built fuse or a Len Mount Dauphene

My Opinions

Having spent the time setting them up all of the above fly extremley well and will keep me happy for many years to come

The Hawks have proven their selves to be more resilient in a crash than my Raptor 30 and the crash costs for both hawks have been less than my only Raptor 30.. thats after 18 months and all 3 have the same flight times on them to within 1/2 a gallon of fuel ( Yes i keep a log )So much so that after the last crash of my Raptor I still havent gotten around to fixing it up.
The cost to do so is more than buying another hawk so i just might go that route yet

The Predators are both excellent machines however there have been some issues that I have addressed
Tail speed up gears in the SE,, Gasser already had them
Battery tray reinforcement
A arm upgrade ( a must have IMO)
Tail Pitch Slider upgrade and Swash Plate upgrade from here
http://www.rcheliworld.co.uk/ug_whi..._heli-parts.htm
Again having taken the time to set them up,, both of these heli's are superb flyers

My only down side so far With Century has been Parts

I ordered a new Screen for my Seaking 9 months and still waiting
Flexi tail wire drive 8 weeks and still waiting
However I do realise that they are moving Premises ETC ETC so I've no problem waiting Funny how some people have no patience LOL

I have had some Major issues with Century

No flybar/Paddles and blade holders in Hawk kit
Predator SE Battery tray let go in flight ( first in the UK My claim to fame LOL)
A Fuse was damaged when I got it, Initially i went with a 5 blade tail rotor which disintegrated on First spool up ( never moved so fast in my life LOL)
Ordered some Parts for my Gasser and the house number was not used on the Package LOL and when the Parts came over a week later they were the smaller tail boom and torque tube than i had ordered and Paid for

Now when I notified Century about these They went out of their way to address these Problems to my satisfaction

When i first started flying at the club I was the only one flying Century and Futaba
Not any more LOL

The only thing about the Predator series that i would really like to see happen is to have the option to adjust the tail drive position lower as it would then be a lot easier to fit into Fuselages

Overall

I am very happy with the Products,Service and Support that i have recieved with Century.. While i appreciate they are not perfect (who is) I will continue to use them in the Future and I also have no problem recommending them either

Roger
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01-21-2006 09:21 PM  13 years ago
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SeaKing... what I have learned to like about Century's 30s and 50s is their stacked frames, in the past I thought that they just made for extra parts, but I have since learned they are an asset, in 13 crashes I broke only 3 upper sides (2 right 1 left) and only 3 or 4 lower sides, those are very good odds, so as of now I have on the shelf 1 complete upper frame set "used" and 1 complete lower frame set "used", all I need to make another heli is a main gear, boom, shafts and a few head parts and bearings..


LOL edit; "but I have since learned they are an asset Jack could appreciate !!"


Jim
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01-22-2006 12:20 AM  13 years ago
Jack Skip

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Yea, its real funny when you have more parts than the heli maker.

I need to start my own parts stockpile.
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