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01-12-2006 01:21 PM  13 years ago
Dave763

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Heli's are harder to learn how to fly. Planes are harder to hover.
Planes are easier to learn to fly. Heli's are easier to hover.
It took years to be able to hover my planes. Hovered a heli first try.

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01-12-2006 01:42 PM  13 years ago
Craig Simmons

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prop hanging
prop hanging depends on the plane..some planes are easy to prop hang and others are near impossible..this depends on the model and SETUP..ie center of gravity and control throws etc..
planes are easier trust me..ive been flying plane for 25 years..
doing a rolling circuit with a plane is quite easy..but helicopters do it backward/sidewards etc.get my point
this is me prop hanging..then again what do i know
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01-12-2006 01:47 PM  13 years ago
ant_mb

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ive been flying plane for 25 years
That may have something to do with it. I started both at the same time, and can now fly both quite well. The plane is much harder to hover than the helicopter, but much easier to fly. Im sure if you took the 25 years experience with planes away you would probably think the same thing.

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01-12-2006 03:16 PM  13 years ago
I3DFU

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I have been a member of the Profile Brotherhood for a while now and have a few slabs in my hanger. You could say it is my true passion. I am just now getting into helis as a matter of fact.

My take on it is this. Prop hanging a plane is much more difficult than hovering a heli. That bieng said they really are to different worlds as with a plane you are throwing massive throws and a heli is slight movements. I find that when I 3D a plane it is stressfull but you can always get it out there and just fly it thus relaxing a little. A heli I am finding takes total concintration from start to stop.

3Ding a plane has become second nature also, but I am sure flying a heli will become the same way. They do mix though. I find that 3Ding bieng my main passion has helped me jump right into helis. I believe each will help the other out as all four sticks are bieng moved constantly.

It is also much easier to 3D a big plane as opposed to a small profile but that bieng said a profile will do twice as much stuff. My .02
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01-12-2006 04:00 PM  13 years ago
Jeff Greunke

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for what ever it's worth
Your comparing apples to oranges and only one aspect hovering. I've flown both airplanes and helis and over all, helis have taken me about a 100 times longer to learn how to fly than a plane. What does that tell you? On my 3rd flight with a airplane I was doing loops, rolls and inverted flight, including inverted figure 8s. My 3rd flight with a heli was still learing how to hover in place. Logic would suggest the one that takes the longest to learn is probably the harder to fly
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01-12-2006 04:02 PM  13 years ago
RappyTappy

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The hardest part about prop hanging is getting into the manuever and then finding its balance point, from there, it's isn't too hard to hold. Definately depends on the plane, setup, CG ect ect ect.
3D with a plane is much less challenging, not saying easy, but much less challenging. You don't have to really worry about rudder(except knife edge stuff) and there is no collective. Doing a rolling circle with a plane is a piece of cake, now with a heli, thats a whole nuther story.
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01-12-2006 04:10 PM  13 years ago
Itsindilas

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It's easier to hover a marginal tail heavy plane than a heli :-)
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01-12-2006 04:16 PM  13 years ago
I3DFU

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You don't have to really worry about rudder(except knife edge stuff) and there is no collective
Dude, no offense but someone who says that Rudder is not that important when 3Ding a plane, except knife edge, simply has not 3D'ed a plane. As a matter of fact almost every trick in the book requires major use of rudder, hell this is how you turn in a harrier (rolling, upright, or inverted), the use of rudder is the fundumental of 3D. Not to mention how do you do a rolling circuit without rudder, with the exception of an ugly circuit. Collective in a plane is still the left stick in a hover.
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01-12-2006 04:55 PM  13 years ago
Craig Simmons

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prop hanging
my thoughts are..prop hanging is like learning to hover inverted(heli)..you need to aquire a high skill level before you attempt either..i flew for years but never tried to prop hang..and after watching a chap fly his plane(prop hanging)i thought ill try that..after one day i could prop hang at head height..no probs...but i must say getting the right plane is everthing....i took me hours to learn inverted(heli)..and took months to get it head height..
so maybe this comment may help..and using rudder is needed(big time)
regards craig simmons/team black country models
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01-12-2006 05:15 PM  13 years ago
Dave763

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Profile Brother #723. If you are just starting to learn to hover you got to have the right plane.
I can get down on the deck with all of my profile planes as well as my 87'' EF yak, and I love to hover my 36% Katana.
Heli's are harder to fly in general. There is no doubt.
Strictly talking about hovering, heli's are easy to learn to hover compared to learning to hover a plane.
Hovering a plane takes constant rudder elevator and throttle as well as prop blast's to push the tail around. Not to mention as the plane rotates rudder inputs appear to reverse.
In a heli, add the right amount of collective, and you're hovering.
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01-12-2006 05:22 PM  13 years ago
Mike99

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I love this conversation...
Everyone is right, as this is a matter of opinion. Granted - prop hanging a plane (be it 46 size with giant ice cream cone shaped wings, and a rearward CG or a $5,000 40% edge) takes skill and in no way is comparable with hovering a heli. Hovering a heli is about the same as landing your plank trainer. That is the first thing you learn on both. Just within that area think about the different orientations included in the activity. Planks land during forward motion usually into the wind. Helis can land from any origin point with any wind direction. Forward, backward, sideways, or at any variation in between. There is more to control and think about on a heli as landing tail in is one stick movement for correction and nose in is different on the rudder. That is what makes it "more difficult". You just have more options. Options are Good, and IMO more challenging. And besides - this IS a HELI forum so we know who is the better pilot... LOL
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01-12-2006 05:32 PM  13 years ago
RappyTappy

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No offense taken. Probably just that I was a heli pilot first and then started flying planes, and to me it just seemed like rudder is used a lot less of the time. I didn't say rudder isn't important, especially on moves like hovering, knife edge and the awesomely hard rolling harrier.

Oh and BTW, I can do smooth rolling circles with my flying wings, they have no rudder.
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01-12-2006 05:32 PM  13 years ago
Kinger

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I gotta agree with Mike here. You're comparing what many consider a 3D move with a plane with what is an absolute requirement to fly heli's.

Perhaps a better comparison would be prop hanging a plane and performing a backward snake with a helicopter?
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01-12-2006 08:51 PM  13 years ago
ChristianM

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When you start out learning how to fly a heli you have to control four degrees of freedom (both sticks) on the transmitter. On a plane you really only need to control two degrees of freedom with any fineness, the throttle is usually at full power or in idle and rudder rarely used. So since you have to control twice as many degrees of freedom with a heli it obviously is more difficult to learn.

Having said that, the benefit of learning to fly a heli is that you can take baby steps, take off in to a hover and set it down when it starts to drift. With a plane you have to land after you have taken off and as we all know landing is the most difficult thing to learn as a beginner.

PS: Hovering a plane is much more difficult than hovering a heli but that’s comparing apples and oranges.

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01-12-2006 09:01 PM  13 years ago
I3DFU

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Yeah buts whats better Apples or Oranges? I got to say a good Granney Smith apple is hard to beat. On the other hand nothing quite like a good Orange. Man this is tough..............


I'll take the Peach
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01-12-2006 09:17 PM  13 years ago
phil p

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Helis are much more logical to fly:- you stop then land, a far better idea then landing then stopping! (having torn the back end off my Wot 4 twice now by catching the tail wheel on the wire fence at the runway threshold I feel qualified to make this observation!)
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01-13-2006 12:49 PM  13 years ago
rotor- shark

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well theres certainly been a lot of replies,i would say from the responses in general heli's are harder to fly move for move.all comments are my opinion only!
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03-16-2006 03:02 PM  13 years ago
PbThumbs

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Got to agree with I3dfu,
I also am a Pro-Bro and have recently gotten a raptor 50 .. Forward flight on maiden .. This is due to the fact that 3d-- High Alpha flight is very much like flying a Heli. But harder like a balancing act.
The ailerons acts like the rudder in a hover or high alpha harrier and the rudder acts like the ailerons and the throttle becomes the collective.
The Heli does take total concentration. But it is not a balancing act.
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03-16-2006 03:30 PM  13 years ago
zoom boy

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Why do they call it 3D plane flying, with helicopters it was orriginally meant to describe how it encompases manuvoures that use all 6 degrees of freedom.

So with a plane how does it do that, aside from a single example (one with a variable pitch prop) I've never seen a model plane fly backwards, which would mean its down to 5 degrees of freedom since knife edging and side slipping is kind of like flying sideways a bit.

So shouldnt it be called "two and a half D"
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03-16-2006 03:32 PM  13 years ago
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Having been able to do both now, Helicopters are harder, it took me about 3 days to learn to prop hang, it took months to learn to fly a helicopter.

Now if the plane you prop hanging is setup for 3D, meaning you have moved the CG back, it is even easier to prop hang.
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