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12-14-2005 03:29 AM  15 years ago
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Riverman

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Blade CP on a Hitec Optic 6
Hello

Sorry to dwell on past issues, but I'm about to purchase a Hitec Optic 6 and I just want to confirm it will be compatible with my Blade CP in terms on crystal conversion type and CCPM mixing. I think I'll try the Hitec Spectra module. I'm hoping to use the stock 4in1 and not go serperates on the helicopter's internal radio electronics.
I just ordered a brushless motor and ESC so I want to be able to modify pitch/throttle curves with my Optic 6 to suit the new brushless installation. I'm getting very good with my Blade CP in terms of flying but I'm new to helicopter computer radios and how the rxs and txs interact.
I imagine all of the mixing programs are stored in the stock Blade CP tx so the rx part of the 4in1 doesn't really behave any differently than a normal 4 channel receiver. Is this correct?

Any help will be greatly appreciated, Brett K
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12-14-2005 03:35 AM  15 years ago
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Search for posts by chuckhager in the Blade CP forum. He uses a Hitec Optic7 (I think) with Spectra module. All stock in the heli. No separates.

Good luck!

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12-14-2005 08:20 AM  15 years ago
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I have my BCP set up to use my Optic6. Other than lipo's and DD tail, my BCP is stock and works great with the Optic6. It's nice having the Spectra module so you can dial in the same channel as the BCP which avoids having to get new crystals. Be sure to set your Tx to negative shift, ppm. The 4-in-1 rx behaves like a normal 6-channel rx, it just has 2 channels hidden to plug directly into the esc's.

Once you get the swash dialed in, the rest is easy. Just remember that swash values can be positive or negative. If things seem to be operating the wrong way, try using the opposite swash value. The channel reversing also affects the direction of motion. I run with exponential on cyclic and also programmable mixing to add rudder slaved to collective. That helps minimize the heli from spinning during climbouts. It'll never be as solid as a HH gyro, but is a big improvement over the stock Tx. I chose to leave the 4-in-1 proportional alone and adjusted the revo mix on the tx instead. That way, if I ever want to go back to the stock tx, it's still set up to fly.

I took a tip from Ron Osinski and set the Idle-up throttle curve at all 100. I also lowered the lower half of the Normal pitch curve so I spool up in Normal w/o the heli lifting off, before flipping to Idle-up and taking off.

Brent.
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12-14-2005 09:51 PM  15 years ago
JJ54

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Don't want to hijack this thread,But my Optic 6 just landed,, I am new to heli's,,CP for 3 mo,, And this is my first TX That doesnt have a wheel and trigger. Brent can you give me any good advice on how to set this up? When you say "once you set up the swash it's easy" I think "WTF is he talking about" And if the owners manual will make it all clear great,,I just thought your wisdom could get me flying faster.. Thanks in advance. JJ
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12-15-2005 12:30 AM  15 years ago
soulcrusher90

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OH yea, it'll work. I use my optic 6 w/ Spectra on it. Although I haven't set it up correctly since a rebuild and right now the heli is out of operation (crash damage) it does work and the flexibility is great. You can really customize the way you fly the heli and have much more control using multiple idleups (3+ normal mode) dual rates, expo, EPAs, built in REVO mixing (although i haven't figured out how it exactly works from the Tx) gyro gain, and other options.

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12-15-2005 01:28 AM  15 years ago
Balance

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Sponge,

Think of revo mixing as a mixer in the TX programming. By setting a curve, you are programming the TX to add or remove t/r input based on the position of the t/c stick. It's like having the TX move the t/r stick for you. Does the same as the proportional does, just does it by a signal transmission, instead of mixing on the RX circuit board.

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12-17-2005 11:13 PM  15 years ago
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It Flies Better!
Thanks to everyone here who hands out helpful advice! Although when I started looking at the owners manual I was overwhelmed,,After reading all prior posts and searching the forum,,things started to click. I got all my EPA dialed and the swash is set with the proper servos reversed, and thats all it took to get this thing in the air ,it was pretty well trimmed to. When I first asked for help I was a little bummed I did no receive a step by step guide,,However that was only a new guys frustration and lack of patience. After using the critical info supplied I was able to use the manual and get this thing flying. I don't have all the DR,,Revo,and EXPO set,, but I do know what they mean now and how to program the radio. Thanks for not giving me all the answers. Also I would add that if anyone who does this upgrade to use your old radio and get the new radio to do the same things...ie...servo direction and throw.
It really does fly better with this new radio!!
Thanks again,,this is a great resource. JJ
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12-17-2005 11:25 PM  15 years ago
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Glad it all worked out for you! Actually, the only reason I didn't post any exact settings was because I was too lazy to bring my Tx in here and copy down all the parameters. Plus it all depends on your particular setup anyway!

BTW, I don't use D/R. I do have Expo on cyclic, revo mix on. Be sure to note that you can have different revo mix settings on Normal, and Idle-up. Actually, many of the settings can be different in N, I1 and I2, so you should go through all 3 modes to be sure you have the same numbers. I'm sure you also figured out that some values change depending on whether the stick is up or down, left or right. Makes it easy to forget a value somewhere, then you wonder why it flies a little weird.

Brent.
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12-20-2005 03:54 AM  15 years ago
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Hey everyone,

I know this is a bit of an attempt at ressurecting a dead thread, but I'm looking for some Optic 6/Blade CP help.

In all honestly, I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to programmable radio's. I picked up an OPTIC 6, however for some future projects, and figured I'd try and take the programming plunge now.

I know there are a few people out there who are using this radio successfully with the BLADE CP heli, and I hope to soon be one of them also. Sadly, however, I've spent quite a bit of time trying to figure the programming out, and can seem to make it work properly.

Can someone please offer some advise how to set up the basics on this radio so I can at least have all the chanels/servo's working properly?

I know exact set-ups differ from person to person, but I can't seem to get anything set-up right. Any working set-up would at least set me in the right direction.

Any assistance is appreciated.

Thanx.
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12-20-2005 06:20 AM  15 years ago
BikeNBoatN

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In the Optic6 manual, starting from Pg 46 explains pretty well how to set up the 120* swashplate for the eCCPM-style swash used on the BCP. The heli sections of the manual (pgs 44 -56) covers setup fairly well. It's what I used to set up mine. It's probably easier to read the manual in front of the heli than to read the computer away from the heli.

Just remember you'll probably go through a couple Tx battery charges just getting all the programming set up. That was one of the main reasons I got a larger Tx battery.

Brent.
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12-20-2005 04:58 PM  15 years ago
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Thanx for the quick reply.

I've gone through the manual a few times, and thus far it's been a bit of a crap-shoot. I can enter the basic parameters without much issue, but the controlls don't work right when I actually turn on the heli.

The servo's in the BLADE CP are plugged into the reciver in the stock locations, which is the same as indicated in the OPIC 6 manual for a 120 degree swashplate.

As per the BLADE CP manual, I have chanels 2 & 4 reversed.

Problem is, when I input movement on the control sticks, it does not translate into proper movement on the heli.

i.e. the "throttle" stick seems to effect cyclic movement as well. Ailron movement on the transmitter effects pitch as well.

I'm wondering in the 4in1 unit, or the BLADE CP transmitter has some kind of programmed mixing set-up in it that is creating my headaches with my new radio.

I'm sure the set-up is possible, but so far I have not found anyone in person who runs the BLADE/OPTIC combo. Any help on the net has been relatively non-descript and brief.

I appreciate the validity of reading the manual, and I assure you I have. What I haven't done is had years of experiance with helicopters and programmable radios. My background has been in planes and cars, and I find myself now quite confused.

Again, any thoughts are appreciated.
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12-20-2005 05:38 PM  15 years ago
bRIBEGuy

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Alrighty.................

Figured out the directional issues with some more trial and error.

Servo reversing needs to be set-up as follows:

1: nor
2: rev
3: nor
4: rev
5: nor
6: rev

I will try and set-up the rest of the paramiters over the next few days (more then likely by more trial and error).
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12-20-2005 06:06 PM  15 years ago
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I found it helpful to use the factory TX and one function at a time make the Optic do the same thing...trial and error. JJ
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12-20-2005 06:31 PM  15 years ago
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That's exactly how I just figured out the servo reversing!

Now it's off to the LHS so I can get a pitch gauge to try and set up the pitch curve on this thing..................
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12-20-2005 08:17 PM  15 years ago
notagolf

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well i would like to chime in the optic 6 works freaking awesome with my blade it changed flying my bird totally i now love my blade instead of just like it sure it takes a while to set it up but once it is set up it flys so much better i am no radio prgramer that is for sure this was actually the first one ever took abotu an hour or so once i read the manual to get the terms down before i starting burning through my battery to change settings i also found that taking off the servo horns helped center everything up a lot then reatching them o sorry for my run on sentance i am far from the greatest typer but hey i can fix missle launchers o if wanted i can post my settings when i get home
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12-21-2005 11:38 PM  15 years ago
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notagolf: I'm glad to hear the Optic 6/Blade CP combo works well for you. I'm looking forward to getting the combo opperational for myself as well.

If you could post your setting it would be GREATLY appreciated. I am having some issues setting pitch/revo, etc...........

Thanx.
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12-22-2005 12:13 AM  15 years ago
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my settings
all my eps are set to 100 percent
swah channel 1,2, and 6 are all at 100 %
rvmx set at 0%
mx.ss never adjusted
ptcv 1 =48%
2=55%
3 =63%
4 =68%
5 =70%

throttle is set at
1=0%
2=60%
3=65%
4=70%
5=78%

throttle hold is set at 100%
gyro= inh
r-->t is at 0% i still use the 4 in 1 ordering seperates right now

all my mixes are not programed t.cut is at 0%
channel 2 an 6 are reversed
strm are all 0%
exp for normal is set at 0% and at d/r i have channel 1 and 2 set to 30%

my dual rates are set at 60%

I am still doing a lot of setting up i cant find the perfect setting i had to adjust my servo horns some i took them off turned everything on and adjusted them at center then sdjusted linkages to level my swash plate i dont know my pitch degress off hand still waiting to get a pitch gauge
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12-23-2005 01:47 AM  15 years ago
bRIBEGuy

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Thanx for the settings notagolf.

I had spent a good chuck of this afternoon fiddeling around with my settings again, and made some progress and some non-progress in my programming adventures.

LOL

Anyways, figured out that my servo reversing was a bit off, and that channel 4 needs to be reg, not rev. Good thing I caught it early!

Okay............onwards.


Got a pitch gauge and checked my "stock settings" for a base line. Results were a little odd:

Regular: +7 deg to +13 deg
Idle-Up: -6 deg to +13 deg

Seems a little off the standard -10/+10 range!

So, I leveled the swashplate, zero'd the pitch at the mid point, and got the "physical" part of the adjustments done.

Onwards to the Optic 6 programming!

Went smooth for a bit, and then................................problem.

My latest challenge involves setting up the Swashplate and cyclic controls.


Whenever I set it all up, I found that the servos were travelling to far for Pitch adjustments and would max-out making a loud humming sound (this is in ST-2/"Idle-Up" mode with a -10/+10 pitch range).

So, I lowered the SWAH setting to +45 and found this solved the issue.

Problem is, now I don't have much servo movement for cyclic control.

So onto Runryder I go, and find notagolfs last post.

I coppied some of the sttings and upped my SWAH settings to 100% and boom! My cyclic controlls are back.

Of course, now my pitch range is maxing out the servos and causing the humming sound again.

AHG!!!!
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12-23-2005 03:09 AM  15 years ago
notagolf

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well i got my self a pitch gauge i to found that 10 up and down wont do i can barley get off the floor i have decided to scrap the guage i dont care about how many degrees i am at if i am flying as far as momaxing out yrou servos have you tired to move your linkage to the highest point on your servo horns i noticed a lot of extra room at the top of my center shaft just keep playing that is half the fun o yea remeber to use fresh batteries when doing your settings
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12-23-2005 07:40 AM  15 years ago
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Here's the settings I use on my BCP/Optic6 setup (stock except for 3s lipo's, 8T motor, and DD tail). I have the 4-in-1 setup (propo and gain) so that the BCP flies ok with the oem Tx. That way I use my oem Tx as my baseline.

Ch1 (aileron) =Nor
Ch2 (elevator)=Rev
Ch3 (throttle)=Nor
Ch4 (rudder)=Nor
Ch5 (not used)=Nor
Ch6 (collective)=Rev
EPA's on Ch1, Ch2, Ch4 all 110. EPA Ch3 r/d=100 l/u=125
D/R all 100%
Exp -15 Ch1, -15 Ch2, -2 Ch4
T. Cut 0%
PMX1 On MAS Ch6, SLV Ch4 r/d=+65, l/u=+10
R->T On r/d=+1, l/u=-1
ThCv Normal 0, Inh, 75, Inh, 100
ThCv IdleUp1 100, 96, 90, 96, 100
ThCv IdleUp2 100, 100, 100, 100, 100
PtCv Normal 20, Inh, 45, Inh, 78
PtCv IdleUp1 5, 26, 45, 60, 78
PtCv IdleUp2 5, Inh, 50, Inh, 80
PtCv IdleUp3 0, Inh, 50, Inh, 80
RvMx All -20
Swash +90 Ch1, +90 Ch2, +42 Ch6

I play around with the Exp, PtCv and ThCv periodically, so they may be different later, but this is what I'm flying with now. I dropped my throttle curves a little bit in ID1 around center, but notice the red LED on the 4-in-1 stays lit all the time so I don't think it made much difference. It behaves just like all 100's because I don't think the stock 4-in-1 can "see" the difference between 100% and 90%.

I do all of my take-offs, flying, and landings in IdleUp1. I only use Normal to spool up and shut down. I haven't gotten into 3D, so I don't use IdleUp2. IdleUp3 is moderately irrelevant because the BCP won't do autorotations anyway. I put real numbers in everything so just in case I flip any switch the wrong way, the heli will still at least fly.

The only other thing different is that I added some programmable mixing (PMX1) so that right rudder is mixed in when I increase collective. That helps minimize the heli spinning to the left when I pump up-collective, and to the right with down-collective.

These settings work with my particular setup, but I wouldn't expect to just pick them up and plug them into another heli as is w/o some additional adjustments.

YMMV
Brent.
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