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02-07-2006 10:06 AM  12 years agoPost 221
Professor Fate

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The new Align swash plate V1,000,000
If they would just break the glaze off the surfaces before assy.

Welcome my son, Welcome to the machine

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02-07-2006 12:34 PM  12 years agoPost 222
marke

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Bob,
Is the inner ring swagged onto the inner race of the bearing? its kind of hard to see that in the picture. is there any visual signs of them doing anything about the outer race to the aluminum frame of the swash?
Thank you
Marke

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02-07-2006 02:41 PM  12 years agoPost 223
Ozydego

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I think the biggest issue they had to work with was the oil on the inner surface after machining the piece, if they would have removed it, the glue would have cured and we wouldnt have this problem. For some reason, the outer swash did not really have this problem... So I'm guessing that they only flanged the inner swash and hoped for the best with the outer swash... only about 10% of the people around here fixed the outer swash at the same time they fixed the inner swash, and I haven't heard of problems with the outer swash ever giving way.....

But Honey, I can't live with just stock.....

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02-07-2006 03:50 PM  12 years agoPost 224
TMoore

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Both the inner hub and the outer ring are machined incorrectly for adhesives to work. Look in my gallery and you will see the correct way to prep the swashplate components for anerobic sealers to do their jobs.

TM

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02-07-2006 04:01 PM  12 years agoPost 225
Yug

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TMoore - yeap, I'd love a decent machine shop to do the jobs properly. However, I'll have to stick with my trusty dremmel and the martin bodge-it kit for the forseeable future

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02-07-2006 04:13 PM  12 years agoPost 226
TMoore

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If Align had machined the inner and outer components correctly, we wouldn't have this thread to flog, would we?

TM

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02-07-2006 04:44 PM  12 years agoPost 227
Yug

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TMoore - Too true. Have you ever come across other swash plates separating ?

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02-07-2006 04:55 PM  12 years agoPost 228
TMoore

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Over the years I can remember some swashplates from various manufacturers coming apart but it wasn't an epidemic like the Align swashplate. No one has been immune from quality problems but the swashplates on the larger nitro machines typically aren't glued together. The TRex is one big loctite machine. If it weren't for R48, these machine wouldn't stay together, IMHO.

TM

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02-08-2006 10:34 PM  12 years agoPost 229
rcdaddy

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Is the newest swashplate still separate? I read on trextuning forum that they still separate?

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02-08-2006 11:45 PM  12 years agoPost 230
aircare84

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rcdaddy,
Looks like the new fixed ones have 'Align' printed on them.
My SE I got in Dec. still needed fixed.

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02-09-2006 01:23 AM  12 years agoPost 231
Ozydego

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There are the newer ones and the newest ones. The newer ones came out with the SE version and still had problems. The newest ones have a noticable flange on the bottom that sticks lower than the bearing, not flush as with older versions and the newest newest versions have the align logo inscribed on the lower swash side.... So, it is possible to have a newest swash without the align logo printed on it, but those I think were just made for a few weeks until they knew they finally got it right and decided it was good enough to actually put their name on it...

But Honey, I can't live with just stock.....

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02-09-2006 02:56 AM  12 years agoPost 232
AceHelis

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Other part came off?
I took the swash apart like yall have described and mine came apart easily so I am glad i did, but the inner (top)part of the swash that has the balls on it came apart as well? is this normal? Do I just use the loctite on this as well? Please help!!!

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02-09-2006 09:26 AM  12 years agoPost 233
Professor Fate

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Yep! Inner and outter glue joints suck!

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02-10-2006 09:23 PM  12 years agoPost 234
cadwarrior

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green loctite 603 or 609???
Wich one do you think is best for the align swashplate???

those infos are taken directly on the loctite website:


609 Retaining Compound General-Purpose

A low viscosity retaining compound that bonds rigid metal assemblies. Ideal for gap distances up to 0.005" diameter. Fixtures in 10 minutes and provides a shear strength of 3,000 psi after 24 hours. Easily joins dissimilar metals. Withstands temperatures to 300°F.

Typical Applications
Locks keys and splines - eliminates backlash in worn assemblies. Locks bushings and sleeves in housings and on shafts. Augments press fits.


Retaining Compound 603 Oil Tolerant

A retaining compound tolerant of oil and other contamination. Seals and secures cylindrical assemblies up to 0.005" radial clearance. Fixtures in 10 minutes. Prevents fretting and corrosion of metal assemblies.

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02-10-2006 09:54 PM  12 years agoPost 235
TRex888

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I used 603 on my HS1111. Have had approximately 150 flights on it and no issues.

However, I would advise you leave it for 3-4 days after gluing. I did find that and exposed Loctite still exposed to air was sticky for a few days. I shouldn't be the case on the bearing walls but I wanted to make sure just in case.

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02-10-2006 10:07 PM  12 years agoPost 236
TMoore

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I used this to do my swashplates:

Then I machined grooves in the outer ring and the inner hub like so:

The grooves allow the 290 to wick into the void between the bearing and the part forming a tight ring of adhesive and it makes a very good bond between the two mating parts.

TM

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02-11-2006 02:50 AM  12 years agoPost 237
Professor Fate

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That's just Terry. Do it the right way or leave it.
I could have done the same but I couldn't get to my lathe to machine it correctly so I broke out the good ol-trusty Dremel, a sanding drum and a X-Acto knife. That 290 is some good stuff! Isn't it Dude.

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02-11-2006 03:00 AM  12 years agoPost 238
TMoore

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The 290 is the shinizzle.

TM

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02-11-2006 05:37 AM  12 years agoPost 239
cadwarrior

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Did the R48 GREEN Anaerobics retainers supply with the SE kit (little bottle) can do the job to fix the swashplate problem???, it is the same as the loctite 603??

thanks

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02-11-2006 11:31 AM  12 years agoPost 240
Professor Fate

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R48 should work Ok. I know first hand if it gets into something that shouldn't you have maximum suckage

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