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11-14-2005 01:45 AM  12 years agoPost 21
steve9534

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yakima, wa.

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Fury
Having been through some of this too, I'm curious to know how skill, proficiency, stubbornness or lack of the same make up for failing t/r drive shafts and gears, slipping clutches, failed clutch dampners, and contaminated driver bearings? My Fury flies great now that I replaced the t/r gear box and clutch driver, and designed my own self aligning clutch bushings, but it would have been nice to have those things done at the factory. How long are the MA guys going to keep insisting it's all stubbornness and ineptitude on the part of the builders? steve.

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11-14-2005 02:07 AM  12 years agoPost 22
ThomStilwill

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I am the least expert here but still everyone's answer seems to be "your setup is wrong" but knowbody can tell me what is wrong. I'd like someont to give me some real help, tell me how to setup the heli correctly, not just say it's not right, that's fairly obvious. As to my flying, I'm not out to impress anyone, and I'm not that good. I just want to have fun with a heli that flys well. Maybe then I can get better.

If you can give me a positive suggestion, or point me to some literature that show me how to setup the heli right, or can look at my heli and say 'that's wrong you need to do it this way' I would be grateful.

Not trying to upset the Fury crowd, just a little tired of the secret handshake club and the expense in time and money this brand seems to incur.

Maybe I should just go back to airplanes if I'm going to ruffle peoples feathers.

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11-14-2005 02:57 AM  12 years agoPost 23
angelob

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Stoughton WI

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Can you describe your setup, or better yet, how about telling us what your heli is doing or not doing? Maybe we can help out. Please be as detailed as possible.

Angelo

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11-14-2005 03:12 AM  12 years agoPost 24
ThomStilwillrrNovice - Plainville, CT - USA - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I'd be glad to.

Fury Extreme, YS91, SAB 710, 95mm V-Paddles (no weights), 105mm V-Tail Blades, GY601@ 37%

1.3 mixer ratio
+-10 Collective
+- 7 Pitch/Roll

8.45 ratio, 1750 rpm headspeed

Swash setup done with MA tool.
Full collective climb straight up shows no interaction in pitch or roll.

Straight and level at full speed pitches up slowly

Coming out of a large fast loop or descending tends to pitch up much faster. It sometime 'pops' out of the loop.

Thanks in advance for the specific help.
Thom

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11-14-2005 05:11 AM  12 years agoPost 25
da_man

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How long are the MA guys going to keep insisting it's all stubbornness and ineptitude on the part of the builders? steve.
If you purchased some of the xcells that I have you would blame it on the builder as well. They are pretty difficult to build and properly align, but MA is making it easier than before to build them.

I bought one of the earliest fury experts new like 4or 5 years ago and have not had to replace a single part yet. (except for the bell mixers where MA admited they used a bad plastic and gave me a new set).

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11-14-2005 06:03 AM  12 years agoPost 26
ManuelCJr1

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Usually pitch up or down has alot to do with paddle alignment. A freind from my club http://www.wvheliclub.com showed me to put the blades at 0 then put a pitch gauge on the paddle and you want the paddle to be aligned with the blades. Do it to both paddles.

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11-14-2005 06:12 AM  12 years agoPost 27
ThomStilwill

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In response to Fury3D’s statements.

Mike,

Over the years, I have found your advice to be somewhat akin to the proverbial tech support response; completely accurate and entirely useless. It either doesn’t apply, is incomplete, or comes in the form of useless general statements, i.e.; ‘Your setup is wrong.’ Or ‘You flying it poorly’

The advice I have attempted to implement from you has typically resulted in more trouble for me than when I started.

Since you crashed my raptor 50 and blamed it on some mechanical failure without so much as a sorry, Thom, you opinion doesn’t hold much water with me.

I need to find someone who will sit down with me and my heli and my tools and show me what’s wrong with it and why, that’s not you. I’m just a guy who wants to fly on the weekends, I have no ambition to fly competition level or even close, I just want good flying helis so I can learn to fly better.

Some of the people on this forum have started asking me questions and are actually helping me out, without being belligerent and condescending to my building and flying skills, you should let that happen.

Finally, you were not the expert I was referring to; a guest at my primary field is a fury flyer and was offering his input when I was first test flying after my crash. I didn’t want his input either. I’m not actually all that stubborn and have no answers; I just don’t want your advice.


Thanks to all the guys that are trying constructively to help out, I really do appreciate it.
The beer’s on me.

Thom

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11-14-2005 07:46 AM  12 years agoPost 28
ManuelCJr1

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I love my fury extreme so I'm not saying to trade in your heli but i agree that the Tiger 50 is an awesome machine. It encourages you to be a better pilot because the parts are so cheap. It's a great 3d trainer and performer. Tracks straight as an arrow.

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11-14-2005 12:20 PM  12 years agoPost 29
ThomStilwill

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I have considered going back to my Raptor roots and buying and Raptor 50v2. I can build them in a day, fix them in an after noon, they fly solid and don't break the bank when they go in.

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11-14-2005 12:46 PM  12 years agoPost 30
I3DM

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Israel

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ThomStilwill, Then by all means get a R50, you obviously dont need the Fury for what it does best (3D), so go ahead and enjoy yourself.

www.liorzahavi.com

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11-14-2005 12:58 PM  12 years agoPost 31
Hawk4flyer

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I'll go ya one better...

Ship your heli to me with TX and I'll set it up for you. I'll write a detailed report of what I did and why.

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11-14-2005 01:31 PM  12 years agoPost 32
ThomStilwill

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How about sending me some instructions on how to do it myself, that's what we're after here right? Give a man a fish, teach a man to fish...

I can set up a raptor and it will fly perfectly, so there my competency baseline. I know which end of the ball link to put the ball in. and I have all the tools. So what now?

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11-14-2005 02:10 PM  12 years agoPost 33
angelob

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Stoughton WI

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I noticed you are flying V-paddles with no weights. Have you tried the stock paddles? Have you tried any flybar weights? I believe the V-paddles are lighter than the stock MA white paddles so it would make the heli more responsive and probably pitchy.

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11-14-2005 02:32 PM  12 years agoPost 34
ThomStilwill

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No one's ever suggested weights, what type, what size, and how are they mounted?

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11-14-2005 02:50 PM  12 years agoPost 35
angelob

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http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...uct_Code=MA0533

I know....another MA part you need to spend money on...

Anyhow they just bolt onto the flybar and you can position them anywhere on the flybar to tailor the response to your preference. Obviously the closer they are to the paddles the slower the response will be. Usually start about halfway out and work from there.

Oh, BTW I was looking on the V-blades website and came across this about the paddles:

Caution: These paddles are extremely light and aggressive!
We recommend the use of flybar weights about halfway between the head and paddle

Angelo

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11-14-2005 03:06 PM  12 years agoPost 36
reddragon

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I have heard that MA parts are extremely expensive. Is that true more so than any other helicopter platform after you crash?

Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!

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11-14-2005 03:42 PM  12 years agoPost 37
j911brick

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I don't know if you can say the parts themselves are more expensive, but crashes as a whole are more expensive. THis is due mainley to the rear shaft drive and FG canopy. Just my uninformed opinion.

james

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11-14-2005 03:47 PM  12 years agoPost 38
reddragon

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Have you had many crashes?

Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!

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11-14-2005 04:09 PM  12 years agoPost 39
GM1

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Tallahassee, Florida US

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Crash Costs
Crash any top of the line 90 size model, Fury Extreme, Stratus, Kyosho Caliber 90, Hirobo Eagle 3, JR Sylphide or Vigor, it really doesn't matter, the repair cost is higher than for a 50 size model. Compared to the recognized "top end" WC class models, the Fury costs don't seem too bad to me. If you like the 50 size model and set it up and fly it well, choice seems obvious, at least to me.
As an aside, I have Fury kit #000007, it was a 60 Expert but is now powered with a YS 80 on an 8.36 gear but still with the short tail boom and 680 blades, it has been rebuilt many times due to a short circuit between brain and fingers, but is still my favorite model of all time.
Gordie

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11-14-2005 06:36 PM  12 years agoPost 40
Zilly

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This Post typifies the side of RR I have to say is not great, here you have someone that has admitted that he is no expert yet has gone out and bought helis that he has then upgraded to way over his skill level, then complained that MA HAS to be upgraded and because he can't handle flying them or is not experienced enough to set up a more complex heli (which MA undoubtedly are btw) he sits on this site and complains that the product is crap!

I flew a Raptor for 18 months and learned a hell of a lot, once I felt I was capable of handling a better machine I looked around and spoke to a lot of very experienced people I then went for the Stratus and have to say it has been a pure joy to build and fly so much so that going back to the Raptor seemed positively boring so I sold it ! and have a nice little slush fund for the next crash I have with the MA

ThomStillwell... go back to the Raptor its all you will ever need.

z

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