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11-13-2005 03:58 AM  12 years agoPost 1
hoverboy

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Kailua-Kona, Hawaii

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Aloha from Hawaii,

I'm going to set up an AP business here in the islands, and I'm looking for some heli recommendations. Specifically, I need a craft that can fly well in the trade winds (about 10 knots) with the added weight and wind profile that AP equipment adds. I know that many of you have flown a variety of AP ships, and I'm looking for your input.

The helis that I'm seriously looking at are:
Vario Benzin Trainer
Bergen Intrepid or Observer
and the JR GSR260

Any advice that you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

-Ken


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11-13-2005 11:43 AM  12 years agoPost 2
BARTGALAMBOS

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Huntsville, Alabama! U. S. A.

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R & D!
Hi Folks,

I think I will try the Bergen Observer EB or the Twin. I know where I can get a twin for 1/2 price.........

Bart

Precious Metal Investor!!!

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11-13-2005 03:30 PM  12 years agoPost 3
Zach Sparks

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Norton Shores, MI

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I am building a Vario Benzin Trainer for AP right now. It is a very well designed helicopter. Everything about it is quality.

I had a Bergen Intrepid EB, won't ever buy another Bergen.

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11-13-2005 03:33 PM  12 years agoPost 4
xcellgasman101

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WOODWARD, OKLA....

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Don't forget about Xcell gas 1005. that is what I'm useing,, XGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com

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11-13-2005 04:03 PM  12 years agoPost 5
ReadyHeli

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Jupiter, FL

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Sad to see all these gasser recommendations and none for the MA ION with 820mm blades...18 minute flight times with the right pinion, and no toxic slime or crazy vibes to deal with...

granted lipo batts are not cheap, but are cheaper then they used to be.

either way, i think you have several really great choices, depending on your fuel preference, volts or ponies.

JG

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11-13-2005 04:48 PM  12 years agoPost 6
fitenfyr

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Port Orchard, Washington

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Not for the wind....
The Ion is great.
I fly mine on 710's and 800 TG semi's.

With that said I was flying mine with the 800's and no AP load yesterday. The wind was KICKING it's butt.
We had about 10 mph gusting to 15 or so.....

The bigger blades and the lightweight of the Ion made for a heck of a flight. It would balloon all over and then that big disk would get a "sail" full of wind on downwind. It took off like a rocket.

The heli was real predictable and flew just fine, but overall it would not have yeilded great photo results with that setup and those conditions.

I am sure with my 7lb AP load it would be better, but not enough.

The Bergen gasser yesterday was like a tank. The wind did not bother it as much. Little bit of drift and some slight ballooning, but nothing the mount would help settle.

I am going to be doing some shooting this week and if the wind is up like yesterday I will drop back to the 710's and shorten my flight a bit.

Jason Stiffey
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11-13-2005 10:58 PM  12 years agoPost 7
BungeeMike

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Honolulu, Hawaii

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Aloha Ken
I have a bergen observer, maxi joker, and logo 20 all AP dedicated you can come check out side by side. I'm on Oahu, pm me for contact info or better yet sell a few jobs and I'll come over there
Bungee

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11-14-2005 03:38 AM  12 years agoPost 8
CRJBenny

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Pocatello, ID

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My Bergen Observer EB was my first helicopter and over here in Idaho the wind really howls sometimes for days. I took my first photo for money in 15 knot winds and it was just awsome. look at this picture the Idaho State Journal took of us https://secure.pocatelloshops.com/p...pterphotos1.jpg It was taken in about 10 knots of wind. The thing is just rock solid and with a newbie at the sticks! I love the Bergens!


Ben Cardon
cardonaerialimaging.com

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11-14-2005 07:50 PM  12 years agoPost 9
hoverboy

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Kailua-Kona, Hawaii

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Aloha everyone
I wanted to thank all of you for your input! I'm still considering my options, but I expect to have the heli ordered by the end of the week.

Thanks!

Ken

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11-14-2005 08:36 PM  12 years agoPost 10
whitetrash

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Spain

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Consider the Vario Benzin Acrobatic with long blades setup. It has the fuel tank in the middle of GC for better stability. Rock solid with wind.

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11-25-2005 04:41 AM  12 years agoPost 11
hoverboy

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Kailua-Kona, Hawaii

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I decided!!!
I ordered a Vario Benzin Trainer with 800mm blades. I will post picture when I'm finished putting it together!

-hoverboy

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11-25-2005 08:04 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Zach Sparks

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Norton Shores, MI

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You won't regret the decision.
I have been building mine for the last couple weeks whenever I get a chance and I am VERY pleased with the build. The Bergen Intrepid EB I had did not even come close in terms of parts fit, finish and machining quality compared to the quality and engineering of the Vario.

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12-07-2005 05:21 PM  12 years agoPost 13
Uffe

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Stockholm, Sweden

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I'm also about to choose between the Observer and the Vario Benzin, almost going crazy thinking about the advantages and disadvantages of the two machines. Considering earlier threads on this site I'm shure your opinions can help be out.

Vario advantages (that I know of):

Carries bigger payload (I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong)
Local dealers have spare parts in stock (I live in Sweden)
More common in Sweden than the Observer---->Possibility to exhange experiences and solutions with people I can actually meet.
Possibility to change or upgrade camera mount if needed.

Bergen advantages:

*270° camera rotating angle
*Everything is assembled at delivery
*Reputation of great quality (with, according to other threads on this forum, some exceptions ) and service

Vario disadvantages:
I don't know of any

Bergen disadvantages:

*No spare parts in stock in Sweden (I presume)
*Long way cross the Atlantic-----> Long waiting for spare-parts
*Little experience of Bergen helis in Sweden------>more difficult to get advices and help
*"Stuck" with using the included camera mount. What if I one day fell the need to roll the camera?

BUT I've heard that Chris Bergen really cares about his customers, and Air mail is quite fast these days so I'm ready to diminish the spare parts problem a bit. So my biggest issue is: how's the quality of the bergen camera mount compared with for example Helicam Solutions Pro 60 ?http://www.helicamsolutions.com/html/pro60-3x.html In terms of damping vibrations? Is it possible to use gyro stabilization with the mount on the Observer?

And of course, the payload weight. Will the observer manage to fly carrying for example a Sony PD-150 DV cam or bigger?

It's a lot of questions, but i feel I have to sort things out carefully before I spend my money.

Looking forward for answers!
Best regards

Ulf Grünbaum
Sweden

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12-07-2005 05:41 PM  12 years agoPost 14
Chris Bergen

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cassopolis, MI USA

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A couple of things, If I may be of help,

Yes, we really do care, (with a few exceptions ).

And the remark on everything is assembled on delivery. This is only included in the Industrial Twin or Twin Observer. I can certainly build and test fly the Observer for an additional price.

How much does this particular camera weigh, and what are it's dimensions?

We recommend no more than 8 Lbs total, to include the downlink, unless you can relocate more gear to the rear of the heli for CG purposes.

Dimensionally, the camera mount will accept up to 6" wide and 6" tall. Total length of the camera cannot be more than 12 " long including lens.

Another option, is of course the Gasser EB, and using the HCS mount underslung.

Hope this helps to clear up a few things.

Chris D. Bergen

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12-07-2005 05:45 PM  12 years agoPost 15
HawkEyeMedia

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Fort Worth, Texas

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I own an Observer and a Vario. Here's a video of my modified HCS mount under the Vario. Full 360 pan, stabilized in pitch and roll.

Modified Mount Under the Vario 3:48 22MB

Currently the Observer is grounded until I get enough time and patience to continue trying to get the vibrations out of it.

Mark LaBoyteaux
HawkEyeMedia.com

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12-07-2005 05:46 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Chris Bergen

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cassopolis, MI USA

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Oh something else,

I have used and sold many of Angelos Vision locks for use on the Observers.

Can be seen here. http://runryder.com/t187366p1/

I have not heard of anyone using something like a Kenyon Gyro on an Observer, Not sure what that would do to the flight characteristics with it attached directly to the heli versus attached to an underslung mount.

Chris D. Bergen

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