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11-09-2005 09:12 PM  14 years ago
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darrens

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CSM 560 Micro version 4
Can anyone who is using this gyro and having good results, please tell me what tail servo you have chosen? thanks
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11-09-2005 10:33 PM  14 years ago
Ben-T-Spindle

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The problem with CSM is that some work very well and come don’t. Some servo combinations work great and some are a real pain to get working properly. I have finally given up on them. Since I started using Futaba gyros I have never had a problem – just fly and have fun.

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11-10-2005 12:30 AM  14 years ago
craneyum

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Hi Darren
I was told from a reliable source that the csm 560v4 does not go down well with the small electric micro helis. You will get good results with the v3 though.
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11-10-2005 02:05 PM  14 years ago
gwk

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I sent a copy of this thread to CSM. Here is their response:

Dear Sir,

First of all, servos: these small electrics, like TRex, have little inertia, so react faster than their IC big brothers. Unfortunately, on the whole, the mini servos available are not as good as the standard ones. I don't know where in the world you are (the fun of email systems!) but there are now two mini digital servos available: the HDS877 from http://www.ashtekelectronics.com, and the new Futaba mini digital (9650 I think) that is fast in theory but we haven't heard any reports of it in use yet.

CSM gyros: the revision 4 was developed because of the changes using a governor makes to the handling - of course this doesn't apply to small electrics. Once Rev 4 was in the market place and many customers had used it, it became obvious that several were having problems getting it set up on small electrics. With the SL560 this isn't a problem - using the PC interface, reduce the Heading Hold gain to between 25 and 30 (you will then have to adjust the overall gain using your Tx as normal) and increase the Acceleration gain to 120. With the SL420 this can't be done, so we have brought out a SL420e (or revision 4e) to suit the small electrics.

Hope this helps,

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Wendy
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11-11-2005 01:38 PM  14 years ago
AnnihilaT

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Just a heads up... I tried this advice from CSM on a REV4 SL560 i had here and it cleared up my wag like a charm. Tail still seems very locked in and locks and stops with no bounce. This is good info. If you have a 420 REV 4 software im sure you can send it back to csm and have them upgrade it for free. They are usually fast and real good people to deal with.
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11-11-2005 01:54 PM  14 years ago
TheX

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This is great, a vendor that takes accountability for their products and issues.
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11-11-2005 02:22 PM  14 years ago
Heli88

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TheX...not so fast. Unfortunately I bought an SL420 with REV 4. It did not work with my T-Rex. Sure they said they will change the software for free...but, it cost me $20.00 to ship it to them.

Rob (very helpful BTW) at CSM said they would get it right out. Well, it took over a week to get there, then it took a week for them to get to it. Once they finished it they sent me an Emial asking for my credit card info so they could bill me for the return shipping/insurance! I felt that since the product did not work they should have paid for shipping.

So far I have spent nearly $200.00 for this gyro that I purchased the end of September. Here it is, the middle of November and I still have not seen it...

Thankfully, I had a spare GY401 to put on it. It works perfectly!

So if you are thinking about a CSM product, think about being without it for a month or so if it needs service. Me...I'll stick with Futaba.
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11-11-2005 02:28 PM  14 years ago
TheX

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Those are valid points. I use Futaba and believe it or not some of the Align's also. They work well for me and I had two of them that were given to me for doing repairs.
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11-11-2005 04:18 PM  14 years ago
ingo777

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no problems here with the 9650, and, i installed the volz speedmaxx today which peforms even better! using SL560V4.

ingo
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11-11-2005 04:45 PM  14 years ago
AnnihilaT

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ingo can you post a pic of your tail setup with the Volz Speedmax. the servo area with the horn and connection to the push rod is what im curious to see.

Cheers,
Anni
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11-11-2005 11:57 PM  14 years ago
gwk

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I sent two CSM SL560 version 3 gyros to CSM for update to version 4. They ended up getting lost and I didn't see them for three months. The package finally came back to me all beat to $hi.. I had numerous conversations with CSM on the phone trying to find out where my gyros were. They made no attempt to help me. Turns out the gyros ended up at some post office other than the post office that CSM uses. When I sent the package I wanted to send the gyros via UPS so that I would have a tracking number. UPS won't ship to a PO box. I ended up sending them USPS with no means of tracking. The bad part: When the lost package showed up at my post office I had to pay the return shipping charges to bail the package out. After the fact CSM did supply a regular street address that I could have shipped to. The question is why did they have me ship to a PO Box in the first place?? I'll never know. Soution: I sold the CSM gyros on eBay and bought Futaba. End of CSM forever. End of story.
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11-12-2005 01:02 AM  14 years ago
TMoore

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I'm running a 560 V4 in a Raptor 50 and it works very well with just a few tweaks. In my Rex I use a 401 with 94761 ATX servo and it holds like, I like.

Here it is:

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11-12-2005 02:05 AM  14 years ago
ingo777

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anni here we go,

using the heliup mounts, innermost hole (6-7mm i think), did a new quicksetup and quicktrim, quicktrim offset 1,97.

cheers-ingo
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11-12-2005 07:38 PM  14 years ago
Heli88

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Correction:

Colin Mill at CSM informs me that my SL420 was only in their shop for about one day, not one week as I stated. Very good turn around time.

Never the less, I sent it out over a month ago and still do not have it back.
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11-12-2005 07:54 PM  14 years ago
tris_heli

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So to sum up...

If you've got a SL420 V4, then your screwed (as there's no way of changing the settings). The only option is to send it back to CSM to be upgraded to the SL420e.

SL560 V4 isn't a problem though (with the changed settings) and people are having sucess with this with the ashtech or futaba servo.

Is this correct ?
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11-12-2005 08:27 PM  14 years ago
Dorset Boy

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We have been playing with the settings on a micro heli with the 560 v4.
we had a slow wag at almost all gain settings!
The two settings to play with in this situation is accselation gain (ours ended up at 80%) and heading lock gain(ours ended up at 40%) When you have stoped the tail wag play with the stops.
The tail ended up so powerful the plastic boom supports kept snapping and had to be upgraded to metal!
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12-24-2006 05:14 PM  13 years ago
Abyzz

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I bought a second hand T-Rex 450 SE last week that had a CSM 560 micro installed, with a HDS577 digital servo.
I have always used CSM Gyro's before on my Raptor, going from the 180,310,420,520 & the 560 with a 8700G, and have found them to be excellent!!.
Once i had set it up for my transmitter, i experienced the tail wag problem. No amount of gain settings did anything to combat this.
As I had a GY401 & a S3154 digital micro servo off my old t-rex, i fitted those and the tail was solid again ( although not after replacing most of the mechanical tail linkage parts as I coould not believe the CSM was at fault)
I never came across this thread until i had swapped out the parts, so possibly changing the settings would have helped?

The SE flys like a dream now!
Mark , UK
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