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11-08-2005 03:22 AM  14 years ago
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Flying a real helicopter
So does learning to fly an rc helicopter cross over to the real thing?Just curious.
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11-08-2005 03:52 AM  14 years ago
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It's not even close. I work on Sikorsky S76's and Bell Longrangers. Atleast once or twice a week I or my coworkers are out performing test flights both before and after scheduled and unscheduled maintenance. The troopers that we work with are pretty good about letting us get alot of stick time. In my opinion, theres a whole lot of 'piloting' going on then meets the eye. I guess with alot of flight time, like anything, you get good at it. But its difficult. I can fly forward no problem, I can hover the Sikorsky but not the Bells. I guess like helis, the bigger they are the more stable they are. If your interested in learning to fly them, I would really go for it, get some flight lessons, and do it. Its awesome!

Good Luck!
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11-08-2005 03:56 AM  14 years ago
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if you havn't done so already you should take a read through the thread i started a couple days ago
http://www.runryder.com/t213060p1/
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11-08-2005 04:03 AM  14 years ago
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sort of... after flying an rc heli, you kinda have a feeling of how the heli will react to certain things, like wind, or changes in attitude/pitch, and youre brain already knows how to correct. drifting left, add right cyclic, ect.

but the actual flying is completley different because your using both hands and feets, and youre in the heli instead of looking at it from 30 feet away. plus you have to watch the gauges, talk on the radio, navigate, and you have to do it damn near perfect all the time or it will bite you in the ass. trust me
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11-08-2005 04:10 AM  14 years ago
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and you have to do it damn near perfect all the time or it will bite you in the ass. trust me
well said !
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11-08-2005 04:13 AM  14 years ago
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hey rick, ive got a question for you about the 76... does it have some type of computer assist on the tail rotor, sort-of like a gyro on our r/c helis? i heard this from someone and id like to know if its true.

dave
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11-08-2005 04:13 AM  14 years ago
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That was a good thread. Never realized it was so expensive. I think I will stick with the little Trex for now. I can almost afford to fly it.
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11-08-2005 04:23 AM  14 years ago
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not really computers like p/c's but flight computers that sense movements in all axis though gyros mounted on the a/c. the tail is mostly mechanical and hydraulic with primary and secondary systems. Sikorsky calls it AFCS Automatic Flight Control System. without these systems the a/c would be very hard to control especially at higher speeds.Gaui Greatness X7, X5, NX4, X3
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11-08-2005 06:45 PM  14 years ago
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yep AFCS is computer mixing to dampen control inputs an auto pilot so to speak (not really you still gotta fly you just dont have to work as hard) AFCS off flight opps are a handfull but great flying!Ask your Doctor if getting off your ass is right for you.
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11-08-2005 06:51 PM  14 years ago
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Real vs R/C
Definately different -

You almost learn to wear the real thing, speaking from experience on UH1 and the 206.

It becomes second nature to watch the horizon and counter small changes with small almost thoughts of corrective inputs, returning the cyclic smartly.

They DO NOT react as quickly as out little birds.

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11-08-2005 07:06 PM  14 years ago
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Definatly diferent but, i noticed when i taught a guy who flies full scale he picked RC up much quicker than most. Same was true when he taught me to fly full scale. (how's that for returning a favor?!) I flew around forward flight for a few hours, then went into a hover and had it hovering steady and ready to land in only a few minutes. Even asked if i could land it.

there is a guy here that has an RC heli chair (radio controll linked to a custom - made chair with stick pedals and collective). No doubt that would help develope the hand and feet reactions you need.

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11-08-2005 08:21 PM  14 years ago
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there is a guy here that has an RC heli chair (radio controll linked to a custom - made chair with stick pedals and collective). No doubt that would help develope the hand and feet reactions you need.
Yeah, esspecially if you put the gyro in none heading hold, and reduce the gain so you have to take over the tail like the real ones
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11-08-2005 10:54 PM  14 years ago
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How about this combo, r/c + flight sims like janes Longbow2, or MSFS using a complete cockpit setup, eg stick, throttle and pedals (which I have) could I prep myself for actual flying lessons doing r/c and the simming with the above controls?
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11-08-2005 11:01 PM  14 years ago
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If R/C Heliciopters are not real?
Hi Folks,

If R/C Heliciopters are not real, then how do they fly? I think it should read Full Size vice real!

I know I'm being picky, but it's also very true that R/C helicopters are very real!

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11-08-2005 11:03 PM  14 years ago
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i have msfs 2004 and i had longbow, and in my opinion, they are both extremely un-realistic. you would be better off staying away from computer simulators like that, because they will just teach you bad habits. take the money you would have spent on the sim setup, and put it towards real lessons or r/c fuel
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11-08-2005 11:14 PM  14 years ago
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i dont think a sim would be that bad.....but one thing i would do to improve the experience would be to make a control platform so you control it the same way a real one is. it may not be realistic, but it would be a cheap way to get your feet to work the rudder.Shawn
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11-08-2005 11:47 PM  14 years ago
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Well I already have the TM cougar and rudder pedals, so all the controls are there, what would be a realistic simulator to use if not LB2 or MSFS, obviously the sim gives the same sort of perspective that you would have in a real heli, ie in the cockpit, but what ones would "feel" more realistic and be a good tool for learning on?

This is combined with r/c flying, so I guess you could take the r/c flying exp and the virtual cockpit environment together would they be a good way to prepare for actual flying?
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11-08-2005 11:49 PM  14 years ago
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ive never flow any others besides those 2. if youve already got all the stuff then go for it. just dont expect it to be very much like the real thing
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11-09-2005 12:54 AM  14 years ago
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I definitely agree with the statements above. Full size are NOT the same as their RC cousins.

I've got about six hours of duel in full size. As someone else pointed out, you've got to get it right all the time or it's your ass. Of course, that's what the instructer is there for! The main thing I think my RC experience helped me with (or not, depending on how you want to look at it ), is that I had enough understanding of the dynamics of hovering a helicopter to at least have "some" idea of what I was doing wrong. Unfortunately, that knowledge didn't help me much with correcting those errors

I've met some RC guys that honestly think that because they can fly the models well, that the full size birds would be no problem. I'm here to tell you, NOT!

Fly Safe,
Steve R.
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11-09-2005 02:23 AM  14 years ago
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Best REAL DEAL Story
My wife and I were at a get together one evening... when one discussion in the group led to another, and before I knew it some guy is telling me what a darn great pilot he was. BUT ALL of his flying experience was using Microsoft Flight Simulator on his computer. I just smiled and said how nice, and he still pressed his point harder and harder... I ended up saying that the FAA didn't recognize it as as REAL simulator, so he couldn't log it even if he thought it was equivalent experience....

The next morning he was in my Cessna 172, to "show me." Thankfully I had the airsick bags ready as he threw up on takeoff, on a calm, clear, cool autumn morning. I stayed in the pattern, and landed; let him "recover his stomach," and then try it again about an hour later... he then used the second bag....

We obviously never got to the point of him being able to show me how well he could fly an ILS instrument approach...

I felt soo sorry for him that I made sure he understood that he could try it again any time he wanted... I still feel sorry for him, what with the motion sickness keeping him grounded.

Yes, it is far different than R/C.... and flying the REAL DEAL helicopters is more difficult to fly than the REAL DEAL airplanes... especially if you are wanting to be a military pilot. It can be done though, and has been one of the most rewarding accomplishments of my life. If you can swing it, at least try and get a couple hours of flight instruction... it will give you a whole different appreciation for flight!

Cheers,
Grover
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