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11-09-2005 03:18 PM  12 years agoPost 21
pH7

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Heliproz could always change the contents of their package, but when I bought the R50 V2 std with OS 50 back in February, it came with one set of TT carbon blades and one set of TT woodies. I used the woodies (at a safe head speed) through hovering, FF, 8's, loops, rolls until the first crash, then I have been using carbons since.

You can always ask when you place the order so you will know what to expect.

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11-09-2005 06:55 PM  12 years agoPost 22
A. Bundy

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Reds/Greens might be a little too fast for a newer guy.I fly blues with stock paddles and it does every trick in the book-smoothly.

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11-10-2005 12:37 AM  12 years agoPost 23
nguyen23464

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thanks for the suggestions,

Then I will not upgrade to the red and greens yet.
It come stock with blues doesnt it? Thanks.


Another question is: Do they make v1 blue/red dampers anymore? Cant find them anywhere for my 30v1

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11-12-2005 01:46 AM  12 years agoPost 24
orlee008

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if im not mistaking, the stock R50 will come with the standard black dampners. I could be wrong... Always a good choice to upgrade them to the blues or skip the middle man and get the reds. just hold off on the green paddles till you feel comfortable flying your new machine as you will have alot more power to play with.

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11-12-2005 01:48 AM  12 years agoPost 25
TAZZY

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being that you are upgrading from a piece of sh*t v1 to a much more powerful 50v2, i would stick with the stock paddles, the red dampners don't make a huge difference so i would put those in right from the get-go instead of the blues.
don't bling anything until you are comftorable flying the machine and you know it is set up correctly.
Personally, i would use the woodies for the first couple of flights until you know everything is alright, that way you don't lose a perfectly good pair of carbons because of something stupid you might of forgot to do.

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11-12-2005 02:30 AM  12 years agoPost 26
nguyen23464

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Very true tazzy and orlee,

I think you have a good suggestion. I will put the red dampners in. And leave the stock paddles on. But will order the green ones for future use. How fast does the heli respond to the greenies? Thanks Tazz, woodies will be the way to go till I get used the machine and servos.

Orlee saw your video, super flying, wish I can get there one day. Sorry about the crash though. Ouch.


How come I see a few people use 3x 9252 and 1 x 3151 for throttle on the forum. Does this set up actually work well with the collective and throttle mix time? Can I actually save $70 here?

Gonna purchase this big package 2 weeks from now.
While Im busy building and setting up this heli "SLOWLY" I will fly the crap out of the V1. Today I was pushing that sucker very hard and fast in FF.
I am kinda scard of the .14 sec response times though. Cause Im using s3004 and 3151 servo right now on the V1.

Right now another option is killing me.
To use the V1 as backup and buy a new 401, and reciever for the new one. If so, should I just invest in the 9chp 9252 combo package. Cause Im using the 7chp. Can this 7chp last me forever? Seems like it can do pretty much everything.

But if so I will spend so much more than I expected. $1500
But how long will this V1 last me truely. In reality it can last me forever if I keep rebuilding it and buying new motors. I just dont know yet. The one thing I love about my current heli is the extremly long run times (20-30min). My gut tells me to scrap it and forget about it.
What would you guys do????

Jamie

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11-12-2005 02:52 AM  12 years agoPost 27
nguyen23464

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orlee,


very very nice canopy on the 60-90. May I ask where did you get it from? Very nice!!

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11-12-2005 02:53 AM  12 years agoPost 28
orlee008

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the reason you want a fast servo on the throttle is so that the throtle is "ahead" of the pitch. in other words.. its better for the heli to throttle up first when you apply some pitch/throttle than it is for the throttle to lag behind the pitch and make your head speed bog down a bit, even tho it doesnt usually happen with the hyper 50 it still can.

you also want a fast servo if you're running a governor such as the Throttle Jockey Pro which has super servo support. The GV-1 doesn't benefit much from a faster servo but it always helps. U can get a used Futaba S9253 (tail servo) for about $50 and use it as a throttle servo.

Dont let the servo speeds fool you. thoses speed numbers are unloaded. once you have the servo installed, and you change your travels and put load on the servo, the .14 becomes .18 or more. those speeds are at 60 degrees only. it'll all depend on the travel you have set for the particular servo.

I had Futaba S9250's which are .11 and i loved them, but lost 3 of them in a serious crash. so i got the 9252's and love those too.

if you can afford a new 401 combo and receiver do that... then you have two helis ready to fly with your 7chp, which should be a great radio for you till you really advance and need more mixing options and features. But then again,, if you decide to scrap the V1 you'll have extra hardware that you wont be using and will just have it sitting there collecting dust. and if you sell it , you'll most likely take a loss.. so its upto you in reguards to what you want to do with your V1.

I feel that once you start flying your new R50 hyper you'll forget all about that V1 because it wont come near to the quality and performance of your new bird...

orlee

Flying in Miami, FL (Kendall Area)

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11-12-2005 03:01 AM  12 years agoPost 29
orlee008

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my canopy is the stock plastic raptor 60 canopy with a little paint thrown on it and a carbon fiber windshield (simulated carbon). And a graphic i made myself out of carbon fiber sticker paper...

orlee

Flying in Miami, FL (Kendall Area)

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11-14-2005 03:39 AM  12 years agoPost 30
nguyen23464

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thanks orlee,


Great advice and tips. So many options. Will purchase that bad boy with the hyper in a couple of weeks. Gonna be hard to get used to the 8 min runtimes versus my 30min runtime on my 30.
Just bought my first pair of carbon fibers for the 30v1 today, so I can practice everything in idle1 and do some rolls and loops. Just had a blast yesterday doing some stall turn piros.

question though:
Is it true that it is easier on the heli and engine when doing rolls while in forward flight? vesus standard hover rolls? Is it true the extra lift from forward flight will help the roll, less stress on bogging engine?


Jamie

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11-14-2005 04:49 AM  12 years agoPost 31
orlee008

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im sure you'll feel the difference with those carbon blades instantly! carbons are the way to go and they auto so much better, i just wish they would be a little cheaper . anyways, there are 3D moves that put on alot more stress on the heli than just a quick flip, weather you're hovering or fff. so i dont see how that statement would be true.

orlee

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11-14-2005 05:49 AM  12 years agoPost 32
nguyen23464

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i see...


how bout.... does the extra lift from forward flight help keep the bird in the air, in return maby not requireing not as much collective to complete a roll or flip? If that makes anysense.

thanks,

Jamie

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11-14-2005 11:59 AM  12 years agoPost 33
TAZZY

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forward speed when doing a roll will use less heapspeed and will have less of a chance to fall back or forwards and losing orientation then if you were to be doing them stationary. if you are looking to do your first roll, then i would definetly recommend doing them in ff, i think it's alot easier for beginners. people who fly planes are used to pitching the nose up before doing an aieleron roll wich will prevent them from losing altitude, and if that's what you are use to then you are going to endup wanting to do the same thing with your first roll with a helicopter, it's like a natural instinct when transitioning from planes to helis.

BUT, thats the poroblem with beginner heli pilots. you do not want to pitch the nose up before a roll because as soon as you start to roll, you are going to lose most of your headspeed when the air hits the blades at the wrong angle.
you are going to want to keep the heli parralel to the ground with out any nose up and you are going to roll (left,right) which ever way you feel comftorable and as soon as your heli gets upside down, then you will bring the left stick down to negative pitch to keep the heli from falling, then make a smooth transition as you continue the roll back upright while giving it positive pitch.
after some practice, you should be able to do them right on the axis of the helicopter without losing any headspeed or altitude.
this all depends on the timing of the collective.
HAVE FUN!!!

GDay

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11-14-2005 09:35 PM  12 years agoPost 34
nguyen23464

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accomplished rolls in FF today. Got easier and easier as I did them. I still think piro stall turns are funnier though. But wow what a rush I had. The first roll I did barely made it. Then as time went on started tighting up on them. They still do not look pretty but as timing improves the roll should also. The good news is the engine stayed running and no crashes today. Im happy about that
I think lately im starting to develop a good ear of what the engine needs according to sound.

yeah,

tazzy, I seem to have the oposite problem and pitch the nose up a bit too much when rolling. That the heli slows down almost complete stop after the roll. Need more practice.

thanks guys,


Jamie

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11-15-2005 02:36 AM  12 years agoPost 35
TAZZY

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make altitude your friend and keep that nose level

happy flying

GDay

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11-15-2005 02:39 AM  12 years agoPost 36
nguyen23464

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thanks,

i will practice that.

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11-16-2005 08:42 PM  12 years agoPost 37
Jeff Greunke

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Go with a 50 or 90 because of the power to weight ratio is better than the 30 or 60 or even a 70 for that matter

Raptor 30, Raptor 50, Raptor 50#2, E620

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11-16-2005 09:00 PM  12 years agoPost 38
Yug

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A 50 costs half the price to repair.

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