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10-16-2005 07:28 PM  12 years agoPost 1
V8Buggy (RIP)

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I know this topic has been gone over many times, but I still don't seem to be able to figure this out.
Problem:
G-3 will not run smoothly on my system, jerky. Move - freeze, move freeze , etc, etc.
My system. Dell P-4 2.4 GZ, 768 ram, Radeon 9800 pro 128 card. Ok, I have reduced resolution several times, this helps a tiny bit, but not much. Turned most scenery off, fly photo fields, set anti alising down to 2X, and probably more.

I know this isn't a top end gaming puter, but if this isn't enough system, who was the G-3 designed for? I would think it should run smoothly with things on, but I can't get it to run smoothly even like this.

Any Ideas?

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10-16-2005 08:00 PM  12 years agoPost 2
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V8 -

Do you have the latest graphics drivers for your ATI card?
Have you updated your sound drivers?
Have you ran an anti-spyware program like AD-AWARE or SPYBOT recently?
What's running in the background?

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10-16-2005 08:07 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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Latest driver, yes about amonth ago, no change.
Sound driver , Hmm, not sure, not even sure where to get it.
I run PC cillin Anti -virus, and it has spy ware that I run offten. All it ever finds is cookies to delete.
Not sure what's running, but the only way I know to check is to run the task manger, and acording to it, nothing is running.
Thanks this is making me nuts

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10-16-2005 08:17 PM  12 years agoPost 4
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OK, I down loaded new sound driver.
I tried running G-3 with the "task Manger" open, and it shows 70 to 80 % CPU usuage when flying pretty hard. Sound about right?

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10-16-2005 08:29 PM  12 years agoPost 5
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That's a little high. What else are you running when you run G3?

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10-16-2005 09:05 PM  12 years agoPost 6
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Nothing and "Task Manager"
Shows nothing

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10-16-2005 10:05 PM  12 years agoPost 7
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Check your system setup and see at what "_X" your AGP card is running. The minimum for the Radeon 9800 pro is 4X and the preferred is 8X.

Did the machine come with this card (I doubt it) or did you add it in (probable). If an add in, you may need to manually set the AGP settings rather than the machine set. "Most" Dell's have a bit of a funky set of "propietary" bios settings as they only auto set for their configurations and if you take out some of their parts and add in over the counter parts you have to do manual tweaking.

Also, if this is an addin card, did you have an integrated video card before? If you did, they can be very difficult to disable and you will get conflicts with the new card.

ALSO, if this is an addin card, you MUST delete the previous card drivers before installing the new card.

Just some thoughts to ponder.

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10-16-2005 10:27 PM  12 years agoPost 8
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HUH??
It is an added card, I installed it. I'm 90% sure I did remove the old drivers, but how do check to be sure.

The old card was a g force card that I unpluged and removed. I assume that means it wasn't an integraded card.

OK what AGP_X and how do I check and set this?
Thanks, sorry I don't quite get all of this.

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10-16-2005 10:51 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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check device settings : "right click my computer, then properties, then hardware, then device manager. Search for "Display Adapters" and make sure that you don't have two graphics cards installed. If you do, disable the 'on board' or old nvidia card.

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10-16-2005 10:59 PM  12 years agoPost 10
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It lists
1) radeon pro
2) radeon pro secondary

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10-16-2005 11:24 PM  12 years agoPost 11
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hmmm...that's what it should be displaying... have you defragmented your hard drive?

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10-16-2005 11:27 PM  12 years agoPost 12
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yep fairly regularly
I am wondering about AGP setting 11290 was asking about, darned if I can find that

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10-17-2005 12:15 AM  12 years agoPost 13
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"_X" settings will show in some version in the bios or the setup screen. Check your documentation that came with the computer on how to enter the setup. Usually on most systems after the ram and drive check on startup, you press either the delete or F8 key repeatedly and it will then go to the setup display before windows loads. From there you have to fish around the onscreen menu to find the AGP settings. Some proprietary (Compaq/HP/Dell) will sometimes list them only as voltages and then you have to check with their tech support to find out the correlation between voltage and AGP setting. Most times they will list as either 2X, 4X or 8X. In the setup screens you can make the necessary changes and then at the bottom it will say to push a certain F key to save the changes and exit. After that it will start windows. Older boards will only support up to 2X or 4X so it depends on how old the system is. Radeon 9800 pro cards are 8X enabled but are backward compatible to 4X.

Also, go to Microsoft site and get the latest version of DirectX9 for the system. Free download. You have to have DX9 to run G3.

To check for any orphan driver files, first check add/remove programs in control panel and see if any GForce drivers are located there. ATI puts them there but I don't know about Nvidia or GForce. You can also do a search of files and folders with GForce as a keyword and see if anything comes up.

Lots of other possibilities but probably some conflicts with the previous drivers or incorrect speed settings. I use the same card by Sapphire with G3 in 4X and I get between 55 and 65 frames per second which isn't too bad.

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10-17-2005 12:24 AM  12 years agoPost 14
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Forgot about another place you can check AGP settings.

Right click on empty part of desktop, then settings tab, then advanced, then on the ATI tabs click on the SMARTGART tab. This will show the curreent AGP speed and has a slider for the available AGP speeds.

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10-17-2005 12:41 AM  12 years agoPost 15
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Almost, but no "smartgart"tab
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10-17-2005 12:43 AM  12 years agoPost 16
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Found it under options
Current running 4X

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10-17-2005 12:54 AM  12 years agoPost 17
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Try "start">run>type "msconfig" in the box>click OK>startup tab. See if you have a lot of programs running in the backround. Things like MS Office, AOL, RealPlayer, Quicktime, etc.. Uncheck them, click apply and then restart.

Then turn off the antivirus and try G3. Don't know anything about that AV program but some of them are pretty system hungry. Worth a try.

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10-17-2005 02:18 AM  12 years agoPost 18
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Well, I had all kinds of stuff running, shut
it all down, restarted, no differance. I guess i just don't have the system to support G-3. Guess I'll either upgrade the puter, or just live with the jerkyness.
Thanks for all of your help!!

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10-17-2005 03:22 AM  12 years agoPost 19
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It should run it with no problems.

I am getting 55 to 65 fps with an AMD 1600XP (almost 4 years old), 1gb ram and the radeon 9800pro on 4X AGP. I don't know right off how that correlates to Intel chip ratings but I don't think it is any less than what I've got.

Don't know what spyware programs you're running but try these free ones. Spybot Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster, Microsoft anitspyware program and AdAware. There has to be something resident that is bogging down the system. Also a free antivirus program called AVG will pickup stuff that some of the others miss.

Also try running disk cleanup from the system tools. Don't know what OS you have but if XP sometimes it takes quite awhile to process.

There is also some other online diagnostic programs that will test your system efficiency. Don't have the sites handy right now, sitting in the recliner with the laptop watching a split screen of the baseball and football games.

If I can dig them out later tonight or tomorrow I will PM with these sites.

Steve K.

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10-17-2005 05:06 PM  12 years agoPost 20
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I tried some of those "Free" sites and...
It's free to scan, but you must pay, download, and then install to use them. I did this a few years ago on a program call "Spy Killer". It was much worse than the spy ware, and is imposable to remove without wiping and reformatting my HD. So I have it turned off and quarantined. I am not too sure about paying $$ to have another destructive program on my system. Also before even trying to run G-3, I always turn off my internet connection, it makes no differance, but I am only connected to the internet, when I'm on the internet.

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