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10-15-2005 08:34 PM  12 years agoPost 1
V8Buggy (RIP)

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While at our local flying field I noticed a fellow flyer had FMA “Co-Pilots” on all his helis. I asked how they worked, and he showed me several times, put the heli into an unusual attitude, hit the switch and within a second or two perfect hover. He asked me if I would help him try his failsafe settings, so I said sure, what do you want me to do. He said when I tell you turn off my transmitter, and be ready to turn it back on when I say. I was a little uneasy about this, but we were the only people there, and he said he would do it very high. He took it up high, cranked it back into one corner and told me to switch it off, which I did. A couple of seconds later his heli was level and slowly descending in a perfect hover. Then he said Ok turn it back on. That’s when it got interesting. I fly Futaba, and if you turn it on with a switch IE: Idle up on you get a warning, but it comes on. He was flying a JR, when I hit the switch to turn it back on, it gave us a warning, but did not come back on. I could not read his screen, so all I could do was watch as his heli went down behind a small rise at our field, but no nasty $$$ sound or dirt. I said I think it went in pretty easy, Then as I stood on my tiptoes I could see the main blades still turning! He looked down at the transmitter, turned of the idle up, transmitter came on, and he flew the heli back to us!!! I am not recommending any product, but simply reporting what happened, draw your own conclusions. AND “DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME”

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10-15-2005 09:31 PM  12 years agoPost 2
spritefiend

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lol no f-ing way... thats pretty badass...

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10-15-2005 09:32 PM  12 years agoPost 3
nap_tan

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Real cool Dude! Got me thinking about the Co pilot.

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10-15-2005 09:35 PM  12 years agoPost 4
spritefiend

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id get one just to try that myself

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10-15-2005 09:38 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Yug

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Cool save.
That copilot must have kept it dead level all the way down so the skids hit dead square. What kind of speed do you think it hit the ground?

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10-15-2005 11:19 PM  12 years agoPost 6
V8Buggy (RIP)

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A little fatser than normal, but...
better than a lot of autos. We talked about maybe bumping up the throttle a tad, but decided against it. I think you want the event over as quickly as possible so it doesn't have time to travel much, but slow enough not to "boom strike".

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10-15-2005 11:39 PM  12 years agoPost 7
chuckhager

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I've got the Co-Pilot on all my big helis too. I fly with it off and have it on a switch if I need to bali out. Works great and has paid for itself many times over.

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10-16-2005 01:09 AM  12 years agoPost 8
Bato

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Does any pne know how these babys work. Were coudl I get one and how much are they (estimate).

It sounds really cool. Has it been tried close to the ground? How long does it take to come to a hover?

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10-16-2005 01:20 AM  12 years agoPost 9
chuckhager

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Here's the link that tells you how it works and how much they cost. Well worth the price in my opinion. https://www.fmadirect.com/site/home.htm

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10-16-2005 01:30 AM  12 years agoPost 10
radobahn

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"I've got the Co-Pilot on all my big helis too. I fly with it off and have it on a switch if I need to bali out. Works great and has paid for itself many times over".

This the same way I run with my Co-pilot FS8.. use it as a panic button.
Chuckhager.. nice detailed install. What are you using to mount the vertical sensor? And is that a ground wire I see at the front of the boom?

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10-16-2005 01:44 AM  12 years agoPost 11
tweekie1

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Failsafe is GREAT on the newer Fs8 Co-Pilot. I just E-mailed Tim at fmadirect today to see if there were any thoughts about bringing out stand alone recievers with the failsafe system by itself(no cp). That way all the people that think cp is for babies, can still have the exellent failsafe.

Tim respondes:
Dear Sir:

The FS5 is a 5 channel receiver that has all the failsafe capabiltities of the FS8 Co Pilot. If you're asking about an 8 channel version without CoPilot, we do have plans for this, but it is not the highest priority. It will be several months before we complete this task. In the mean time, just because the FS8 Co Pilot has stabilization features, it is already available as a stand-alone receiver. You don't have to purchase or connect the Co Pilot sensors in order to use this as a stand alone receiver.

Thanks for your feedback and your support of FMA Direct products.


Tim Marks
V.P. Engineering/Commercial Products
FMA, Inc.

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10-16-2005 03:17 AM  12 years agoPost 12
Nasscar][

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Nice, I'm glad the Co-pilots have improved since their release.

I had one of the older ones that glitched and crashed my Eagle 2 GS.

Maybe in time I might try one of the newer versons of the co-pilots.

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10-16-2005 03:34 AM  12 years agoPost 13
chuckhager

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Thanks radobahn,

I picked up these 1" mounting squares at our local hardware store to mount the co-pilot. I just trim them down to fit & zip tie it to the boom.

And yes, that is a ground strap that runs from the metal boom to the motor mount. That belt running up & down that metal tube just didn't feel right to me so I added it as a precaution to prevent static buildup.

Chuck Hager

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10-16-2005 03:58 AM  12 years agoPost 14
JitsuGuy

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Dang! That's pretty cool! Technology these days!

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10-16-2005 04:04 AM  12 years agoPost 15
Chuck Bole

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co pilot
well i just trashed my heli today worst part was the damage to the 10s2p pack! i was going to get another battery but i think i'll get this one fixed and invest in a co pilot.
chuck

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10-18-2005 03:01 PM  12 years agoPost 16
IYKIST

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How does the co pilot compare to the General Laser product?

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10-18-2005 03:29 PM  12 years agoPost 17
playfair

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So this guys fail safe kept the engine powered, or did it auto?
If the former, what if it had come down on a car or populated area?

As nice as this worked "right side up", it may have had a slightly different ending if that guy had been inverted! That is unless the next revision has a merc switch which allows it to know how to bias the pitch according to which way is up!


The sky is our canvas

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10-18-2005 03:35 PM  12 years agoPost 18
raptorheli2

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correct me if i'm wrong but if it was inverted the co-pilot will flip it the right way up???? i don't have one but was under the impression it did.

your right about it landing in a populated area though, but whats the difference with it landing softly and slamming into a populated area and smashing into a million bits? there are pros and cons for both sides i can see.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com

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10-18-2005 03:48 PM  12 years agoPost 19
ChristianM

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How does the co pilot compare to the General Laser product?
Here is a link where this is discussed:
IR Flight Stabilizer - A Better Alternative

Christian

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10-18-2005 03:52 PM  12 years agoPost 20
HawkNoob

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No doubt, amazing technology! It does delay the natural learning curve though. If one becomes dependent on the co-pilot bailing you out of trouble every time you get the sticks wrong, it just takes that much longer to develop the flying skills. The argument can be made that ABS brakes, traction control, stability control, etc.. in cars only helps, which they do but what happens to the skills of driving? What's next a gadget that will make the heli fly for you all together and maybe even do some piro-flips 3 feet off the ground while you're sitting in a chair having a beer?

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