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10-15-2005 05:13 AM  13 years agoPost 1
jackheli

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Could one of you guys with Reflex check to see if I am on the correct route to learning piro-flips? They don't look great but I want to make sure I should continue from where I stand. It was recorded with the Pred Gasser.

If I only could get the heli to stay in one place...

Donwload here

Thanks in advance.

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10-15-2005 10:53 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Yug

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Sorry couldn't play cos I aint got the Century Gasser installed. I'll have a look if you can post it.

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10-16-2005 02:54 AM  13 years agoPost 3
jackheli

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Check this thread for the pred gasser...

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10-16-2005 09:56 AM  13 years agoPost 4
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Hiya, yeah thats the idea, you've got your cyclic nice and rounded, collective control is bound in well with the flip rate and synchronisation of cyclic and flip rate is very close. You should try to practice your travelling piros at different start positions, ie nose forward to nose forward, tail forward to tail forward etc. This will help with dialling your brain in better and give you more directional control. Try piros in left and right handed circles and progress to 8s. Something that helped me alot was varying the piro rate; so starting at your comfortable speed, try lowing the whole thing down then gradually speeding up, you should find that will give you far more flaxability and a broad comfort zone. When doing travelling piros, practice both forward and backward flips in order to get tighter control of the cyclic. With the ideas above, you should find it far easier to do stationary piros, ie in stationary hover, then do one complete or half piro ending in stationary hover.
It's fun init.

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10-16-2005 06:41 PM  13 years agoPost 5
jackheli

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Guy Martin:

thanks for the tips. I'll try them out.

I was wondering how I should translate my new skill from the sim to the actual heli. Is the first live piro-flip a problem, or just go high and try it out?

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10-16-2005 08:27 PM  13 years agoPost 6
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Go high, dial in by doing some flips and rolls to get the timimg, then do some pirouettes at the same rate, then put it all together. Remember to breathe. It may also help to get your mind set similar to doing it on the sim. All depends on how windy it is if you know what I mean.
Cheers

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10-19-2005 06:38 AM  13 years agoPost 7
martinhung

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Hi jackheli,

Can you use other types of Heli to do it once more as I cannot download the model.

The link does not work.

Thanks

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10-19-2005 02:20 PM  13 years agoPost 8
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That thing is like flying a bus

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10-21-2005 02:16 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Pitounet

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Guy Martin

Hey !!!

I am also training my piroflips, unfortunately i don't have reflex. That is the one best explanation that I have ever read on how to train piroflips!!!

I am kind of cheating while doing my piroflips, as I always do one piro per half flip (one piro going from normal flight to inverted and one piro back). Is it a correct method?

For the first portion of my half flip, I try to syncrhonize my cyclic the best I can and look for the tail to see when it will hit the horizontal position, this is the signal for me to syncrhonize the end of the half flip (very difficult to explain).

I have heard that you should train doing circuits while piroing, I can kind of do it, but sometimes the piro rate is justs to fast for me. i have a problem with circuits while piroing as I don't think I have the good method. I wait for the heli to be in nose in or nose out in order to give my orders as I cannot synchronize in all positions.

I have started to do piro circles, but the way i do them is more doing piros while going in circle than doing circles while going in piros. I start a backward circle, then i move the tail into the circle, then i go normal flight into the same circle and so on.

Sorry for my english that might not be correct and clear, i tried to explain the best i can.

Can you give me some advice?

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10-21-2005 02:51 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Yug

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Pitounet

1st off, get Reflex.
I don't really like to make much of a distinction between piroflips, chaos or whatever as its all variations of the same thing. ie, If you can do stationary piroflips and maintain the rhythm naturally, and if you can do nicely held travelling flips (& move into cirles 8s etc), then it follows that you can do the same flips but with piros.
I am kind of cheating while doing my piroflips, as I always do one piro per half flip (one piro going from normal flight to inverted and one piro back). Is it a correct method?
I wouldn't call that cheating, that's the natural place to start, and it is the best way to do circles and 8s. I find forward flips easiest because providing your thumbs are synchronised, you can keep your brain dialled into the nose 1st orientation, or alternatively tail first, whichever you are most comfortable with. Whichever, it is importent to get all those 'gears' meshing smoothly and synchronously.
As for turning left or right hand circles,corners or whatever, I find my brain is happy with lefthand/anticlockwise but in righthand turns is a bit of a black spot. The thing I find best is to practice pirouetting righthanded circuits - it kind of helps with getting the balls turning correctly in my brain.

Generally speaking, once you have got piroflips smooth and dialled in, you can just let your brain relax into the rhythm so the whole process becomes automatic, and then you can feel it as simple flips and steer the heli wherever you like.

As the comfort zone gets broader, you can start playing with maintaining a constant flip rate while varying the piro rate. This I find very hard but practice makes perfect as they say.

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10-21-2005 03:12 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Pitounet

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Thanks very much for the answer.

I suppose i need more work.
Is reflex really better than RFG2 to practice this?
I know there is a difference between RFG2 and reality, but generally when I can do something really well in RFG2, I know that I am on the verge to do it right in reality too. If you think Reflex is better, I might as well buy it for christmass

Anyway I am going to perfect my pirouetting 8 and circuits. I am really comfortable with flips and I can do them nice and controlled at different speeds and of different shapes in all directions. So I suppose the part I must work on is pirouetting circuits that I don't feel comfortable with.

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10-21-2005 03:21 PM  13 years agoPost 12
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Happy Christmas

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10-30-2005 09:03 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Pitounet

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Hello Guy Martin,

I have followed your advices, and my progress are huge. I wanted to really thank you because you gave me the good hints. Thanks to you I can now do piroflips with my trex. I still need more training for continuous piroflips but the things begins to click really fast in my brain.

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