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10-14-2005 01:05 AM  12 years agoPost 1
Drangon7777

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Hi,
I have a question for anyone who might be able to help me.
While practicing on my sim I try to get the the aircraft trimmed out,
I get it close as I think possible. Then while trying to stationary
flips the aircraft either starts drifting away or closer depending
on orientation of aircraft ( side view). Any advice would be appreciated.
Tim work in progress.
I'm using the G2 sim if that matters.

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10-14-2005 02:25 AM  12 years agoPost 2
darrens

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Dragon,
This is what you will hear called Collective Management. This is all about how you transition from positive to negative pitch. Let's assume you are nose in doing backwards flips. If you bring the negative pitch in too early or too much too soon, the machine will drift towards you, too late and it will drift away. Practice with how much pitch and when, it comes together,

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10-14-2005 02:32 AM  12 years agoPost 3
crowfly

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I think he's talking about flipping while viewing from the side. You're probably ,unknowingly, adding some aileron in with your elevator. This can be reduced somewhat by adding exponential to the cyclics.

ps you may also want to tighten the spring tension on your transmitter gimbals and practice getting straigt movements of your sticks.

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10-14-2005 05:16 PM  12 years agoPost 4
Drangon7777

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Thank you for the reply darren.
You are right crowfly that's what I was meaning. To tighten my gimbles
will I have to disassemble my tx? And how will adding expo to the cyclics help? Won't it make them more sensitive? Any advice would be appreciated.
Tim work in progress.

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10-14-2005 05:53 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Red9301

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Expo makes the center of the gimbal softer to movement, whislt still retaining full throw at the extremes. Rather than a linear movement of the servo, it becomes exponential (a slight curve)

This effectively softens the input at th eneutral position, thus making movements around the central position less twitchy. However full throw on the gimbal will still yeild the servo moving to its ATV endpoint.

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10-14-2005 07:19 PM  12 years agoPost 6
Jeff Greunke

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you still have to make minor attitude corrections no matter what your trying to do. In a perfect world the heli would flip or roll without having to make any other adjustments. With rolls you not only have to worry about collective management, but pitch and yaw corrections as well. The same is true of flips, you have to make aileron and yaw corrections. Doing stationary flips and rolls is great practice for collective and cyclic management. Defineately worth spending time on in the sim

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10-15-2005 06:56 PM  12 years agoPost 7
cassat

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G2 Sensitive
I too had some problems with the flipping last night on G2 mainly while taking off to hover. Seems if you don't have the training gear it is very sensitive.I don't have exponential on my radio??

Cassat

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10-15-2005 07:53 PM  12 years agoPost 8
MicroDOC

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Question?
Does the G2 have a training gear setup? Could be mistaken, but I don't believe I've ever seen that configuration.

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10-15-2005 11:16 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Jeff Greunke

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G2 does have a Heli with a training gear on it. The Impala (30 training heli). Is that what you want to know? As for setup, the throttle and pitch curves are the same for normal mode as a Heli without a training gear. It's best to get rid of the training gear as soon as you can. They are a real pain, but do help out on your first hovering flights on the real thing. I wouldn't spend too much time in the sim with the training Heli. It would be best to get used too flying without it

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10-15-2005 11:51 PM  12 years agoPost 10
cassat

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Training
No,
This is not what I am asking. The radio is too sensitive! I cannot even
attempt a hover without moving the stick a fraction. How do you tone down the sensitivity?????

Thanks

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10-18-2005 05:09 PM  12 years agoPost 11
daved26

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turn off the wind.

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10-18-2005 07:03 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Jeff Greunke

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cassat
Your talking about adding EXPO and/or Dual Rates to your transmitter to make it less sensitive or decrease the amount of throw. That's done in the radio setup. Are you using the usb controller or your actual transmitter. Which one will determine where you have to make the changes. I think for software radio the EXPO/DR is the first screen "Edit software radio", you can set the EXPO for ailerons, elevators and rudder. You will need to add EXPO to the ailerons and elevator. And on the actual radio it depends on what brand JR, Futaba, Airtronics you have.

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10-18-2005 07:24 PM  12 years agoPost 13
cassat

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Exponential Setting ?
Well, I am using my transmitter as the controller. My transmitter does Not have exponenetial.
Can I still use exponential by turning it on in the software?

Thanks
Cassat

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10-18-2005 07:30 PM  12 years agoPost 14
Jeff Greunke

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cassat
Do you have the usb controller that comes with G2. If so I'd use that, it's easier to setup than a real radio. Setup a real radio with G2 can be a nightmare. It's been a while since I used my JR 6105 with real flight, let me try setting it up tonight and I'll try to get back to you. Unless of course somebody else answers your post first. What kind of radio do you have? It's got to have a least 7 channels . A 4 channel airplane radio won't work with a Heli.

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10-19-2005 01:46 AM  12 years agoPost 15
cassat

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Transmitter
Hey Jeff,

Yeah thats what I wondered too. I only have the Futaba T6XH
transmitter to work with. I don't have the USB controller but maybe I can borrow it from a buddy. Let me know if you find more out. Bad when the real heli runs better than the sim.

Dave

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