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10-13-2005 09:37 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Nick T

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Well, I have had a ball flying my X3D. Finally attempted a stupid move and broke a few bits, took the opportunioty to add the al swash, head, grips and seesaw.

Flys graet again, then spent some time looking at the slop (none in controls on the head) - it was all in that plastic servo mount plate.

Tooka piece of cf strip, about 1cm wide and 5cm long, drilled through under the widest part of the plate and secured to the bottom. the flex is now totally gone and the feel is much more solid - infact a better improvement than the al upgrades at no cost.

Worth a mod.

Nick T

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10-13-2005 10:11 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Saob

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This has already been covered but the info is lost as the hornet-heli forum has since died

You can also of course use the Duzi or Intruder ally servo mounts

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10-13-2005 04:17 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Micro-Maniac

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Intruder's mounts in production?

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10-14-2005 12:18 PM  13 years agoPost 4
Saob

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Actually i dont know, havent seen him around here for a while, I have a set of both the Duzi mouts and Intruders mounts

The duzi ones fit HS55;s and the intruder ones i have are for Futaba S3108's

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10-14-2005 02:34 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Nick T

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Do they fit the HS56 servos?

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10-14-2005 06:10 PM  13 years agoPost 6
johnny b

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How much do those hs56's weigh? I thought they were a much larger servo than the small 55's and 50's. Would they work in a Hornet?

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10-14-2005 06:25 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Micro-Maniac

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Same size as HS-55 but with conbonite gears. Weigh about 2 grams more. HS-55=8g, HS-56=10g.

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10-15-2005 07:35 AM  13 years agoPost 8
MrCarbon

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X-3D servo mount upgrade
If you think the carbon fiber servo mount would improve performance we can do it under Mr Carbon Products or MCP. If 1.5mm is thick enough we can make 'em retail them for about $10 - 12.00 USD. Does this sound like a fair price for a good upgrade ?? Pelase let me know.

First guys and guys with the most posts to this forum get the first proto types !

Cheers, There goes my British accent again, or is it agane ??

Mr C'
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PS I am not British !
Although I do speak english and anglish.

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10-16-2005 06:32 AM  13 years agoPost 9
Micro-Maniac

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I wish the Hornet mast was a bit taller so the servos could be mounted similar to the E-Flight Blade. That seems like a fairly slick setup there.

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10-16-2005 01:59 PM  13 years agoPost 10
jmiceli11

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I'd be up for trying the carbon fiber plate to stiffen the servos up. I notice alot of flex in the servo try.

John

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10-16-2005 03:06 PM  13 years agoPost 11
MrCarbon

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Carbon servo tray
Would it be OK in present form or would you like it changed somehow ??

Mr C'

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10-16-2005 04:18 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Micro-Maniac

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There have been some c/f trays available from DeeTee for a long time, but he is getting out of hornets.

Here's what he has/had to offer.
http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS...ervo.mounts.php

They still look just as flimsy to me, but I never tried them to know for sure.

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10-16-2005 08:18 PM  13 years agoPost 13
stephan.ernst

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I'v read several times DeeTee is getting out of the Hornet. But I can not find an "official" statement from Dennis or somebody else of DeeTess on his website concerning this issue. Where do you have this information from, why is he getting out of the Hornets??? That's really a pity :-(
It look likes the Hornet is "dying" everywhere - forums, shops etc. - WHY???

Regards
Stephan

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10-17-2005 01:16 AM  13 years agoPost 14
johnny b

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Factors?

You can get Esky or Blade RTF's for good prices, LHS sales and support, and fairly decent prices on spares.

If you go a little bigger, the Trex is easier to build and work on being a little larger, is hardier, reasonable spares costs, and has several proven set-ups for performance from mild Sunday flying to wild nitro-style power.

The Hornets have to be built from a kit instead of RTF, they require precise set-up and a larger knowledge of heli's than their "cuteness" factor would indicate, which leads to lots of frustration and areas where mistakes can happen.

Parts costs add up quickly if you crash a lot and are careless in set-up. I think Mr. Carbon's recent offer of 2 sets of woodies for $25 shipped certainly helps out, but still, its amazing how quickly a few little plastic parts can add up in costs.

The Hornets are kind of getting squeezed in the middle of the $200-ish RTF CP machines you can pick up at the LHS and can get to do a reasonable amount of flying (let's face it, the typical Sunday flyer is happy to do some hovering, figure 8's, and perhaps learn to do loops and a little inverted flying down the road, and that's more than enough), and the Trex-sized mini heli for more "serious" hobbyists which can be set-up mild to wild and is easier to work on, hardier construction, and has good parts support and good pricing.

That said, I really want to fly the Hornets. To me, the Trex is really a "mini" helicopter class, not "micro," and for my tastes, I'd rather have a micro-sized heli, even if its more difficult and challenging, than a mini heli. I like a challenge, I've seen these Hornets fly amazingly well in video after video. I know it won't be easy, but there's just something real cool about a true 3d capable micro heli like the Hornet.

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10-17-2005 09:22 AM  13 years agoPost 15
Nick T

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Dr carbon

That sounds like a good upgrade - if it could be made identical dimensionwise to the X3D plastic version, I would have one - 90% of the slop I have is this component.

NickT

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10-17-2005 07:08 PM  13 years agoPost 16
stephan.ernst

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Hmmm,

I'm just fearing (if I look at the actual development) that the Hornets are squeezed out of the market - hopefully that will never happen. Otherwise I have to spend € 1000 for spares

Is there a website available with the wooden blades for USD 25?

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10-17-2005 08:28 PM  13 years agoPost 17
johnny b

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Stephan,

Look for the thread in this forum "Woodies 2 sets for $25 shipped" started by Mr. Carbon. Probably in the first few pages of posts, should be easy to find. Mr. Carbon, I believe, runs the mscomposit-usa website. Its not on their website last I checked, but he put out the offer to forum members here, so you might try to contact him by pm or email. That offer was for shipping in the Continental US, so I don't know what he can do for overseas.

I have thought about converting my blade holders to Blade CP or Esky CP2's. If it can be done, Esky CP2 blades have been sold for as low as $7 a set on US websites! Blade CP blades are at the local hobby stores for $15 per set. Either change the blade grips, or get a pair of blades and see if they can fit or be modified to fit the Hornet 2 blade grips.

Now these options aren't as good as the CF blades, but my worry as a beginner is I would destroy a $50 pair of blades too quickly. I will save the good blades until I get much, much better and then I'll use them for the best flying. But to learn and get good, makes sense to get more affordable blade options.

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10-18-2005 12:22 AM  13 years agoPost 18
mattijs

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I supported my servotray with triangles from creditcard plastic.

It doesn't move any more so it should make a world of difference but honestly...i don't feel the difference.

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10-23-2005 10:55 PM  13 years agoPost 19
Patanjali

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Hi people,

I also think the double-sided-glueing-tape is a bad, even though low-weight, mounting of the servos. I'm a beginner, and though I understand the set-ups you described, I would be happy if you could post some pictures of your servo-mounting. Thanks a lot !

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10-24-2005 09:05 PM  13 years agoPost 20
DarkHorse1

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Patanjali,

X-3D I assume. IMO good double sided tape shouldn't move and may save servo gears in a crash. Not sure if this is true but I have heard that some CA glue can eat and weaken/powder certain brands of servo case.

Had to:
- cut MS-022 servo tabs off
- reduce servo to swash link lengths by a few mm
- cut the front servo horn to avoid deck crashing
- remove the back of one servo for symmetrical layout (MS servo's are too big).

My servo tray/plate requires stiffening as it does flex a little.

Hope it helps. Here's mine using balsa and double sided tape:


- Setup up CCPM geometry and symmetry
Setup up CCPM (Cyclic and Collective Pitch Mixing) properly on the radio and on the servo alignment. If there are any geometric errors with the servo installation and any link lengths anywhere on the swash and head, then you will suffer cyclic and pitch interaction. Look closely as you use full cyclic, checking that there is no change in overall blade pitch (the head should not raise or fall) or the heli may start bobbing (popping) up and down in altitude with cyclic inputs.

Hornet X 3D
Twister(Axi 2208/20, Tsunami), MS-116 ESC, MS-044 gyro, KOK Extréme white
blades, 3xTP1320 prolites ~15mins, AUW=375g. Futaba7C

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