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10-13-2005 08:28 AM  12 years agoPost 1
adheli

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I hope i am posting this question in the right place
Could i have a little help??? In your opinion which would you say is the better gyro the JR 460T or the CSM SL560 MICRO
THANKS IN ADVANCE adheli

REGARDS adheli

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10-13-2005 09:45 AM  12 years agoPost 2
helirulz

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my answer would be neither.
Go with the Futaba line of gyros such as the GY401
They are plug & play

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10-13-2005 09:50 AM  12 years agoPost 3
60Raptor60

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I agree with helirulz; Futaba is the best choice!

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10-13-2005 09:55 AM  12 years agoPost 4
adheli

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got it wrong
Sorry
i must have not worded my question correctly i was asking which of the two gyros would you think is best??? NOT which is the best gyro on the market

REGARDS adheli

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10-13-2005 10:06 AM  12 years agoPost 5
darrens

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Just got rid of my 560 as I did not like it, the tail lock was not what it should be, so I would suggest trying the JR (not heard any bad press on those). However, I agree with all others that a Futaba 401 or better still 601 is by far the best tried and tested option.

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10-13-2005 10:31 AM  12 years agoPost 6
jjp735i

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gyro
Haven't used the 460 but my jr500t holds rock solid. Never used a Futaba 401 but have seen these fail and heard to many horror storys about them.

jjp

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10-13-2005 11:53 AM  12 years agoPost 7
LogoHeli

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I used to have a 460 for my Logo 10, but it was only good for hovering round, and would tend not to hold a steady tail even in HH Mode - the manual is also a bit vague (pretty dodgy).

Now I have the Futaba 401, and have been using that for a while, and its probably the best gyro ive ever used - its manual is clear, its easy to set up (providing your mechanical setup is already correct), and it flys very well. Piro rate is fast yet steady. I like this one so much that im going the GY611 for my Rappy 50.

The CSM, i guess is a more advanced gyro than the 460 - in that it has more features ( im not sure so correct me if im wrong).
Once again, the 460 is pretty good, but id go the 401 for sure, and if youve got that little bit extra, then go the Futaba 611 or 601 if u can still get it

Sorry for the long post, but i hope this helps

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10-13-2005 12:07 PM  12 years agoPost 8
dankers

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Never used a Futaba 401 but have seen these fail and heard to many horror storys about them.
Most uninformed and ignorant post ever on RR - simply amazing.

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10-13-2005 12:11 PM  12 years agoPost 9
ChrisMoore

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Dankers

I second that! The GY401 is a great gyro...Anyways, what do all you think about the JR 500 versus the 460?


Chris

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10-13-2005 01:54 PM  12 years agoPost 10
darrens

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Never used a Futaba 401 but have seen these fail and heard to many horror storys about them.
Are you punishing yourself for something you did in a former life, or have you just chosen this as the special moment to teach yourself humility!!!!!

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!

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10-13-2005 02:00 PM  12 years agoPost 11
craneyum

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The answer to the question you asked would be the CSM 560
It has a far easier setup than the 460t and better holding power.
Also what version software does the 560 have that your looking at,
you will probebly get better results useing the revision 3 software.
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10-13-2005 02:02 PM  12 years agoPost 12
dankers

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Go read his other posts - very entertaining. Flying only 8 months and knows everything already. Using subtrim as well with his HH JR gyro

jjp, there is a reason why they don't want you around the local field and rest asured, its not because they don't want new members.

Bleased is the ignore feature of this site.

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10-13-2005 02:59 PM  12 years agoPost 13
Rick_H

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So what is the problem with jjp735i Post? Do a search on hard over failure. The 401 had a problem in the past, caused a number of helicoptors to crash, don't know if it was ever fixed.

As for using subtrim with the JR 500t, what is wrong with that? They are designed to use trim to stop tail drifting. RTM

The JR 500t holds as well or better then the 401 with no hard over problem. The instructions for the 500t are very, Very bad though.

Rick

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10-13-2005 03:17 PM  12 years agoPost 14
the collective

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I've never used a JR460T but I have owned the CSM 560 micro with rev3 software and I was very happy with it. If you do go with a 560 you might want to consider a laptop to make adjustments at the field... much easier to try various options when you don't have to go home to plug the gyro into the desktop PC between test hops.

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10-13-2005 03:25 PM  12 years agoPost 15
BarracudaHockey

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That was only a problem with early 401s and they have replaced any for free that were in question. I suspect that many of the problems attributed to that were actually caused by an undervoltage reset.

I've flown both the 500t and the 401 on the same heli and prefer the 401 myself.

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10-13-2005 03:30 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Rick_H

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I suspect that many of the problems attributed to that were actually caused by an undervoltage reset.
I don't know of any other gyro that had this problem, Oh that's right it's not the gyro's fault because these people lost there heli's, it has to be theirs.

Rick

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10-13-2005 04:03 PM  12 years agoPost 17
reddragon

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I have a CSM gyro as well as a JR 460T gyro. As far as set up the JR is a bit easier to set up and I would go with that one. But my favourite is still the Futaba GY401.

Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!

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10-13-2005 05:19 PM  12 years agoPost 18
RotarSoft

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St Leonards On Sea UK

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Adheli,

Do you mean 460T or do you actually mean the 490T?

The 490T is the worldwide name for what is known as the 500T in the USA.

The 460T was the precursor to the 490T and was based on the old peizo sensors rather than the newer generations of silicon sensors.

The JR 490T, CSM 560, and Futaba 401 are all very similiar in terms of performance as they basically use the same sensors. The JR and Futaba gyros are more plug and play.

Any of the above 3 will work reasonably well. If it's a 460T you are comparing then this would be inferior to all the above owing to its older technology.

Cheers

Mark

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10-13-2005 05:55 PM  12 years agoPost 19
zoom boy

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Dankers, speaking of humility
Flying only 8 months and knows everything already. Using subtrim as well with his HH JR gyro
Sometimes you have to do that, especially when using radios and recievers from a different brand to the gyro.

The reason is that not all radios use 1.5 microseconds as the midstick pulse length, some are slightly different, like 1.52 or something, which means you have to use the subtrim to correct for this.

This is also why in the 560 this is a changable variable, because CSM knows that different brands have slightly different pulse lengths at mid stick.

If say his JR gyro is looking for a midstick pulse of 1.5microseconds as the stick being centralised, and the transmitter is using 1.52 then at centre stick the gyro will be seeing 1.52 and so will be constantly trying to turn.

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10-13-2005 07:29 PM  12 years agoPost 20
Patriot

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I use CSM 560 V4,s and have no problems with drift or lock, My Freya will hold high speed sideways loops with no blow out

Just smile

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