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10-13-2005 12:16 AM  12 years agoPost 1
Tom DeWinter

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At what point is an impound necessary? I've been to a number of small fun-fly's (under 40 pilots) that have just used the pin system. I'm not aware of any incidents at these events, and I've been comfortable flying.

There's been a thread or two lately telling of problems at an event that was using an impound. I'm not so sure that it actually increases the safety factor.

What do you guys think?

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Tom

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10-13-2005 12:18 AM  12 years agoPost 2
A. Bundy

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I was at the one you speek of.Pins,no impound.No trouble.

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10-13-2005 12:23 AM  12 years agoPost 3
brooksnb

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Simply said...it serves as a central TX station to help prevent people from accidentaly shooting someone else down. The advent of some of the newer radios have complicated things a bit but the concept is still better than not having an impound at all.
An impound is part and parcel with an organized event....our club uses one with as little as 10 pilots ...it serves a purpose that benifits most pilots and is desired by most pilots when there are large amounts gathered at one event.

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10-13-2005 01:16 AM  12 years agoPost 4
HotsHabit

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I was at a funfly in Pocatello Idaho a few years back, most years they had a radio impound but one year they didn't (they were just using the pins), I got shot down while flying my SuperHots, it was a total loss. I refuse to fly at any funfly that doesn't use a radio impound.

Had I been flying my heli at the time and that happened I certainly wouldn't have taken it as well, even though I was not a happy camper. I dont mind losing an aircraft by my own hand or a mechanical failure but its really upsetting when the carelessness of others ruins your day along with your prized aircraft.

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10-13-2005 01:33 AM  12 years agoPost 5
Havoc

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The most important feature of the impound is that if someone accuses you of turning on you can say "not me, my radio is in the impound". If your radio is not in the impound then you don't have an alibi. It doesn't mean the club is at fault if some idiot can't control his radio.

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10-13-2005 02:25 AM  12 years agoPost 6
BC Don

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Impounds are an additional safety factor. Bringing together folks from different clubs with different rules increases the chances of someone getting shot down. Especially with the newer radios where you can tune in whatever channel you want. People can "accidentally" move to another channel very easily.

An Impound makes sure that this doesn't happen.

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10-13-2005 03:32 AM  12 years agoPost 7
Christian

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I've been hearing a lot about these "new fangled radios" with synthesized modules. Just curious as to why this is being raised as such an issue now when the synth module and the 9z has been around since ~1995, Hitech has had one for a while (that will also work with an 8u).

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10-13-2005 07:11 AM  12 years agoPost 8
JKos

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I see a radio impound as a very important safety feature. I guess I'm just spoiled by how well the impound is run at events here in Albuquerque; but I feel very uncomfortable at events with a poorly ran impound. A pilot can't inadvertantly turn on his radio if it isn't in his hands. It is too easy for someone with a radio at their personal area to forget about pinning up and turn it on to check this or adjust that.

IF everyone turns in their radio or at least the module and IF the impound is well ran, shoot downs shouldn't happen... But, it does still happen for some reason.

Christian,
I think it is just the ever increasing percentage of synthesized radios which is causing the greater concern. However, it only takes one synth radio with a careless user to cause havoc.

I don't know what the answer to this is. I have a thought, but it will never happen...

What if all synthesized radios had to have an "event lock" feature through which the channel could be locked at the beginning of an event by the impound and could only be changed by having a special code that only the impound would know. That way any change of frequency would be known by and tracked by the impound. The code could be announced at the end of the event so that the owners could unlock the "event lock" before leaving.

What if all radios were required to listen to their assigned channel before transmission could begin. The technology exists, that's for sure, and is getting cheaper to implement every day.

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10-13-2005 11:20 AM  12 years agoPost 9
Professor Fate

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The impound is a good idea IF all radios are turned in.

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10-13-2005 01:26 PM  12 years agoPost 10
ErichF

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All these fancy, high-tech radios from the Big Three lack something that Polk Hobbies Seeker II (which looks like it was built in some dude's garage) has, channel scanning and safety RF lockout.

When you turn it on, it listens to the freq before going on-air. If the channel is hot, it alarms and stays off-air.

How come a $2200 (or even a $350) radio can't have such an obviously needed safety feature. Oh, but it can play Linkin Park MP3s.

I think the manufacturer's need to be bugged about getting such features. It would make everyday operations safer, not just at events.

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10-13-2005 01:41 PM  12 years agoPost 11
Professor Fate

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A point very well taken! A DSC is nice to have, my Futaba 3PJS (surface radio) has DSC. Just plug-N-play. I guess a "safe" radio is just to much to ask for but a built in MP3 player is just the ticket.

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10-13-2005 01:43 PM  12 years agoPost 12
airdodger

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Great point Erich! Chris

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10-13-2005 07:56 PM  12 years agoPost 13
estevens

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The impound is essential to controlling the radio frequencies out on the field. In the case of the Phoenix fun fly, the radio impound also serves as a means to limit the time on a given frequency and give others a chance to fly. Additionally, in our case, it also allows us to control the number of radios out at any given time dependant on available flight stations (i.e. the time allocation does not run out while waiting for the frequency to become available).
An impound benefits everyone all the way around regardless of the size event.

Eric in Phoenix

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10-13-2005 08:23 PM  12 years agoPost 14
fritzthecat

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The impound would work really well if all pilots turn in their radios. At all the funflies I've been to, that has NOT been the case. Even I don't turn in my radio all the time. Most of the time I don't bring a TX case and frankly, I don't want the monkees in the cage handling my $$$ radio. I simply don't turn on the TX until I have the pin/card.

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How come a $2200 (or even a $350) radio can't have such an obviously needed safety feature. Oh, but it can play Linkin Park MP3s.
Unquote.

Because it would only prevent you from shooting down someone else. And if you can affort a mega radio, you are either smart enough to not shoot somebody down or rich enough to pay for the shot down craft/severed limbs.
Besides, I'm not concerned about shooting somebody down. I'm concerned about some yahoo with a U$5 ebay bought widechannel TX shooting me down. And that TX will not have any safety features. Soooo, I'm still waiting for the interference proof TX scheme.

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10-13-2005 08:41 PM  12 years agoPost 15
cudaboy_71

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our club impounds ALL radios ALL the time. it's not monitored. but, it is self-policing.

i moved here in '96 and thought it was a little over the top at that time, coming from a club that didnt even have an enforced pin system. but, now that i've gotten used to it i like it a lot. i honestly cannot ever recall anyone getting shot down since i've been going to that club. (the newbie system requires an active member to chapparone)

people bitch about it from time to time. but, everyone follows the rules. it's very difficult to have a mental lapse that way.

FYI, if anyone is unclear, our drill is:

you arrive to the field. PUT ALL your radios in the impound. it's not monitored with an officer or anything. but, all radios go in the cage as soon as you arrive.

then you finish unloading your stuff, pre flight, etc...whatever else you can safely do without a radio.

when you need a freq, you go over to the pin-stand and place your club membership card on the pin holding your channel and take that freq. pin for yourself.

if it's a light day (few members) there's no harm in hogging the pin for a while. otherwise, you're expected to re-impound your radio THEN put the pin back. and, noone gets a radio out of the impound without a freq. pin.

with some members flying high 4 and 5 digit models, i feel alot safer myself. i'd sure hate to be the one putting one of those in the dirt.

if someone does give you a hard look, it is very refreshing knowing you dont even have a radio near yourself.

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10-13-2005 09:00 PM  12 years agoPost 16
JKos

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> The impound would work really well if all pilots turn in their radios. At
> all the funflies I've been to, that has NOT been the case.

Man, I must be spoiled by good impounds, then. When the club here in Albuquerque runs an event, the only way to get your frequency is to get your radio or module from the impound. If your radio or module isn't in the impound, you can't get your pin on the frequency. It's that simple.

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10-13-2005 09:04 PM  12 years agoPost 17
carcrasher

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Impounds help some but not much. It doesn't prevent some yahoo that is new to the hobby from turning on his or her radio. It doesn't prevent someone from keeping the pin forever and not allowing others to fly. I use the crap out of my DSC on my 9z. I'm not going to tie up the pin just so I can work on my heli. Should there be a cell phone rule also? Since many of the newer radio have a synth module someone standing next to a pilot can bring them down if their phone rings. This can be by mistake or on purpose. The pins only control method works if it is a local club event. Where everyone knows each other and knows who has what freq. At an event with too many people from different areas it sucks big time. I remember when I used to race cars, they only used the pin system at first and it was a pain in the A$$ trying to find who had the pin. Some guys didn't give a damn and would keep the pin forever. Even after being called on the loud speaker to turn it in.

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10-13-2005 09:10 PM  12 years agoPost 18
brooksnb

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Since many of the newer radio have a synth module someone standing next to a pilot can bring them down if their phone rings
I thought that this was determined to be only a myth...

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10-13-2005 09:13 PM  12 years agoPost 19
brooksnb

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carcrasher...

You must fly with an interesting group of people.. ...Since you seem to be familiar with what won't work...what do you think would work with a large group ???

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10-13-2005 09:14 PM  12 years agoPost 20
JKos

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> I thought that this was determined to be only a myth...

Yes and no. It has been shown to be repeatable with certain radios on certain frequency bands (i.e. certain countries) and certain cell phones.

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