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10-11-2005 04:29 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Peter Wales

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RR Event Topic: AMA 2006 Helicopter Nats

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I have been asked to take over the running of the scale event at the Nats starting in 2006, with a view to raising its profile. I have been discussing the situation with Craig Bradley and the AMA and we have decided how we are going to run the event next year.

Firstly, 2 channels in the 72MHz band will be set aside exclusively for scale use. These will be made known in January when the applications are sent out.

We will also have 2 exclusive areas to work in. The first is the patch behind the Rv's in the cornfield which is fine for tuning up and practising your mandatory maneuvers. The second area is about 200 yds to the right of the main flightline which will be good for practising your free flight. This area will be where we will do the static judging on Saturday morning and the first round of flying on Saturday afternmoon. It will be away from the rest of the field so the pressure will be much reduced as you know only other scalers will be watching, and once you see them fly, you will realise your flying isn't that bad after all :M

This round will probably be the one you want to discard and will allow you to set your machine up and get used to the event.

Sunday morning, bright and early, we will have the second and third rounds of flying, center stage with everyone watching, but by now, you will be confident in your machine and you will have seen how much better your flying is than anyone elses. Prize giving will happen at Lunchtime on Sunday and you will be able to get away and hopefully, if you dont have too far to travel, be back home in time not to have to take time off from work.

I hope to have experienced judges, and have collared 2 of the best. I want one more so a volunteer will be appreciated. As there is nothing in it for the judges, I have elected to sponsor the event to the extent of paying the judges expenses, flying or driving out and their hotels. So, if anyone fancies an all expenses trip to sunny Muncie for the weekend, get in touch.

This is only going to work if we get a significant number of entires and I have been promised several so far, but we all know that S*!t happens and sometimes folks just cant make it, but a minimum of 6 at the field is what I am looking for. If we get this number or more, then I will continue to run and support it, but if we dont, then I will back down and the event will probably end up being part of IRCHA. If you think thats a good thing, when it actually happens, you will find out its not. Occupying 8 or 10 frequency pins and shutting down the flightline for a few hours while you run 2 or 3 rounds of flying will have the 3D guys complaining like mad.

So, if you have aspirations to compete with your model, please enter the Nats next year, have a go and see what its all about. There will be some top guys there to give you good advice on your model if you want it and maybe you will go home with a trophy.

I am told that it will be possible to do the entry on line as of this year so that will make it easier.

I will repost this when the entries are due but now is the time to start polishing that scale bird and your flying to be ready for July. At the moment I believe the Nats will be starting on the 7th, but I'l confirm that date later.

Peter Wales
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10-12-2005 12:14 AM  12 years agoPost 2
Heli-Driver

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Outstanding Peter! Hope to see you there!



Raymond

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10-12-2005 02:10 PM  12 years agoPost 3
Peter Wales

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I knew you guys wouldn't let me down. I have now got enough offers from prospective judges, thanks to all of them. It will be great to have judges who know what they are doing, not to denigrate the guys seconded from the FAI contests to judge us in years gone by, they did a great job. However, they can only judge what they are experienced in and getting them to judge scale is like getting me to judge FAI. I wouldn't have a clue about the nuances of their maneuvers and frankly would give them all 10 out of 10.

If you are going to turn up with a scale heli just to look and talk, enter the contest. You know you aren't going to win so there will be no pressure on you to perform and once you have done it once you will find that it actually is fun. With the experience of one Nats under your belt, you will be much more confident the following year and can maybe start eyeing the trophies, wondering which one will be yours.

Peter Wales
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10-12-2005 05:55 PM  12 years agoPost 4
DenisS

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Hey Peter
Does that mean we aren't going to have the pleasure of your company in the UK next year? I know you don't care for the weather much but the warm beer MUST be an attraction. I'll start saving now and maybe I can enter your Nats. ( My wife would love a trip to the States!!).
Well done for taking the job on, it's bound to be a success.
Denis

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10-12-2005 08:06 PM  12 years agoPost 5
joecool

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The NATS topic did come up during IRCHA 2005. The reasoning to suggest having the NATS during IRCHA was partially based on attendance. It was difficult for "hobbyist" to attend both events on separate times and still have a suitable family/work life.

From a pure frequency logistics, IRCHA 2005 had a shelter far North East that was provisioned for "uncontrolled" flying.

Among Circumgyration, IRCHA, NATS, and East Coast scale events, it has and will be difficult.

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10-12-2005 08:07 PM  12 years agoPost 6
Peter Wales

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I'll be there, dont you worry. As soon as the Nats are over, I'll be on a plane. Florida is way to nasty in July and August and although England may be the exact opposite, its not worse.

Also, there is the new Vario cup competition in August..........

Joe, your response came up while I was answering Denis

I do understand the reasoning behind trying to do it at IRCHA and if my ideas dont pan out, it will probably happen that way. I just happen to think that the Nats deserves more Kudos than being jammed in at an over crowded fun fly. I also think that if the competition is run there, it will have to be to the correct rules rather than the relaxed rules at IRCHA and at least 2 rounds of flying will have to happen and it could be 3 rounds if things are close.

If there are 10 entrants flying and each requires 10 minutes to do his thing and clear the flying field, that will take 3 1/2 hours for 2 rounds and 5 hours for 3 rounds. Can you image the furore that will happen when pins and airspace are used up for that amount of time.

Pressure will soon be on to clear the flightline and get on with it, which is what has happened at the Nats up til now.

Scale helis are a serious business and if folks are prepared to take the time and make the effort to compete, they deserve the best possible support to go with it. I understand some people will only be able to go to certain events in a year and that is why I have arranged that the Nats is a weekend event. I know money may be an issue, but I doubt if anyone will go to IRCHA just to compete in the scale competition, so they will set their own priorities if its an issue.

I am doing everything I can think of to get the scale competition up and running again at the Nats and I will have to give it a try before I give up and let a half hearted compretition be run at IRCHA.

Peter Wales
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10-17-2005 02:13 AM  12 years agoPost 7
Fireman

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Nats 2006
Hi Peter,
I also have had many discusions with Craig Bradley about the Nats. I am also a novice compared to you and some of the past winners. (NIce Motor Home Buy the way). However I will attempt to attend the Nats this year. Even though My scale building abilitys are not as good as you guys.I am hoping to meet our good friend from England.(Lm) I have the utmost respect for all of the scale Expert Modelers. I can only hope to someday be as good as you. I competed at IRCHA only because I thought that I was not good enought to compete at the Nats. However after being push by my Very Good friend Craig I found that competing is not that hard, and that Guys like Dr Tim,Emile,and so many others admired Me for trying. (Thanks For you Help and Suport this year Tim). I know that I may not win at any scale event but I keep trying andLeaning new tricks. Its The chances for me to be around the BEST of the BEST a chance to Learn something. Or be taugh by the guys like yourself who have Won the Nats. I have said Enough. I am sure the Nats will be great with you at the Helm.
Best Rgards
Michael Rose

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10-17-2005 02:37 AM  12 years agoPost 8
Madman

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Most excellent Peter. Looking forward to trying my best to have my next project complete.

Michael

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10-17-2005 03:26 AM  12 years agoPost 9
Airwolf crazy

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Greetings Michael,

Good luck! Sorry, I will not be there to call for you. Please post pictures of your current project.

Christopher

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11-01-2005 12:33 AM  12 years agoPost 10
wolfdad

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Peter,
One way or the other, come hell or high water, the BK and I will be there. Good to know the running of the Nats is in your capable hands.

And, by the way, scale has to all become a "way of life." And, priorities have to be set. I also do not "hold a candle" to the likes of Peter, Joe, Dr. Tim or the others who have "set the pace" in scale helicopters, however the only way to learn and get better is to jump in and compete.

wolfdad sends....

"There are those who have...and, those who will" IRCHA #2117, AMA #70068, Turbine Waiver #105

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12-27-2005 12:44 PM  12 years agoPost 11
doorman

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Scale Catagories????
Could someone tell me if there are different levels of competition in scale heli?? Or is it just too small of a group??
I have searched the AMA handbook and found it in fixed wing, but nothing about it on heli's....

Novice, Sportsman, Expert??????

It looks as if I am going to finally make the Nat's in 2006.... sounds like fun.....

Thank you, Stan

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12-27-2005 01:21 PM  12 years agoPost 12
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Stan,
All one, big happy family and we'll look forward to seeing you there. This will be my first go 'round as well...baptism by fire, so to speak. Good luck to you, shipmate!

wolfdad sends....

"There are those who have...and, those who will" IRCHA #2117, AMA #70068, Turbine Waiver #105

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12-27-2005 02:08 PM  12 years agoPost 13
doorman

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Thanks.....
Thanks for the info wolfdad.... sounds like a party to me!!!!
See you there.....

Stan....

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12-27-2005 04:54 PM  12 years agoPost 14
Peter Wales

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Stan there is only one category for scale helis. The rules make the way in very simple and in fact would permit you to enter a shuttle in a pre painted Funkey fuse.

The flying maneuvers are simple, but not quite so easy to do perfectly so if you fancy having a go, go for it. There is nothing there you cant do, all you need is some documentation.

Peter Wales
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12-27-2005 05:12 PM  12 years agoPost 15
doorman

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Thanks for the Info....
Thank you Peter,

You and wolfdad have confirmed what I was thinking, but I just wanted to make certain that I was correct.....
Flying in the Nat's has been a dream since I was a kid.... (LOOOOONG time ago) and I finally figure that if I don't do it soon, I will never do it... so you can plan on another entry for 2006.... and thank you for taking your time to make this a stand alone event..... I read you entire post and agree that having this as a "throw in" at a 3D event would not be a good idea..... and also, it will not help to promote scale in the US.....
So, you can count me in, at least to be able to come and see some of the heli's & modlers we read about, but I am not one to just watch, so I will have my entry ready......documentation is on its way!!!!!!
Thanks again, and Happy Holidays..... Stan

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12-27-2005 06:27 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Peter Wales

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I look forward to seeing you there.

Peter Wales
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01-04-2006 11:08 PM  12 years agoPost 17
MattJen

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Peter
what are manouvers in the scale comp, i wont be coming out to the states, but if one kicks off here in the UK i would like to be prepared for it,

It will be different from the F3C schedule i have been flying all year

Matt

All The Best

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01-04-2006 11:59 PM  12 years agoPost 18
Peter Wales

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The full rules are on my web site, scalehelicopters.org under the proposed rules for 2007. These are marginally different to the ones in use in the US this year, but the proposals I have presented have been accepted by the committee and unless the world comes to an end, the new rules will come into force next year. We might as well start using them from the get go in the UK.

If you scroll down to the bottom, there is a printable version you can download.

Peter Wales
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01-05-2006 09:21 PM  12 years agoPost 19
Cap232ex

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The AMA has posted the NATS dates for July 8-12. Think Peter was going to run Scale 8th-10th. I have been looking forward to the NATS but the dates fall during the PPG nationals which I must attend Just can not do both at the same time

Charles

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01-14-2006 08:06 AM  12 years agoPost 20
aceisback

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Occupying 8 or 10 frequency pins and shutting down the flightline for a few hours while you run 2 or 3 rounds of flying will have the 3D guys complaining like mad.
Why is it that the issue of making the 3D pilots mad seems to always come up?

I am not aginst 3D by no means, but there is much more to RC helis and IRCHA than just 3D flying. I don't fly 3D, but I enjoy watching it.It does get boring after a while though,until you hear the sound of a tailboom strike and you look to see the heli falling to the ground.

I have looked all over the IRCHA website and have found nothing that states that IRCHA is a 3D only event. There would be a lot less in attendance if it were.

The 3D pilots can share some of their time with the other areas of interest of rc helis. I know I have been a bit disapointed with IRCHA the last couple of years due to the lack of scale heli flying. If it is such a big deal with the 3D pilots, why not add an extra day either at the beginning or end of IRCHA so that the 3D pilots can get their flying in. If IRCHA is to be a 3D only event, then that point needs made so that those of us who expect more than just 3D don't have to make the trip for nothing.

They have seminars at IRCHA, but has anyone ever thought about having a pilot demonstrate various maneuvers such as 3D or scale flying, and then explaining the "how's and why's" of executing the maneuver. A lot of IRCHA is just about talking with others, exchanging ideas, seeing what's new in the heli world, learning about the equipment you already own, etc.

There is a lot to take in during IRCHA, but as long as things are scheduled and plans are made, it can be done and keep everyone satisfied.

Duane

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