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10-11-2005 01:46 AM  13 years agoPost 1
CobraJock24

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As side topic to the “Chernobyl” topic, I wish to add:

My wife and I just spent two full weeks in eastern Russia. I spent a couple hours last nite on the phone, long distance to Texas, with James (AGRAV8 here on RR) discussing our experiences there with him. So I will keep it short!

We started out in St. Petersburg and made a leisurely 800 mile trip through the countryside and visiting such cities as Vytegra, Goritsy, Yaroslavl, Uglich, and Moscow. Our tour of the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center was awesome, as were all of the places we visited. I have amassed over 1,500 photos and 7 full hours of video tape. I also know that I still did not even begin to capture the atmosphere of even this small piece of Russia! It is truly a complex and splendid country.

We were very impressed with the Russians that we were honored to meet. We were especially captivated by the younger generation (the 20-30 year old group) who are well on their way to achieving great things for themselves and their country. They have the honest, real desire to achieve in both their personal goals, and those of their country. They will do well in their future endeavors… you can feel it in their spirit!

We will no doubt be hosting at least one visitor from Russia in the near future, here in Northern California. That is the kind of friendships that can be developed and cultivated between our countries.

We highly recommend that you consider visiting Russia in the near future. It is truly an amazing country, with a deep and rich history. As always, please do your research before you leave, and then go enjoy their beautiful country and its rich history. We can’t wait to return in two years!

Cheers,
Grover

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10-11-2005 02:43 AM  13 years agoPost 2
debogus

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Calm down comrade.
He had a nice trip and wanted to share,

He had a nice trip ,
Its about the people , culture and the history .

Good for him
Bad for you

Dave

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10-11-2005 02:54 AM  13 years agoPost 3
Vitya

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Ahh anyone who drinks is a friend to me And besides, a lot of countries were close to nuking each other. It happened and I am certain it was more than enough to realize the horrors of radiation.
Great pic also, i'm glad you posted it

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10-11-2005 03:55 AM  13 years agoPost 4
valerko

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Ex,
grow up,would you?

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10-11-2005 03:56 AM  13 years agoPost 5
spaceman spiff

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Very cool trip.

Russia is on the top of the list of places i want to go.

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10-11-2005 04:07 AM  13 years agoPost 6
spaceman spiff

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Things change.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to go there and meet a few folks, have a few beers, might change how you think about them.

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10-11-2005 04:15 AM  13 years agoPost 7
valerko

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Ex you act like a moron.I don't wanna insult you,but think about what you're saying.

How about Germany,Japan.....
How's Russia different.Oh,yeah it is,US never bobed them

Sorry for Hijacking the post.Russia is beautifull country,girls are the pretties in the world and Vodka taste the best.You find a russian friend,you have a friend for life,one that would step in front of the moving car for you.

BTW:I was born and raised in Czechoslovakia.

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10-11-2005 04:18 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Salty

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Ex
I gotta disagree with you on this one, As a Navy man that has spent time over there and worked with their navy, (yep we were the first american helo to land on a russian military ship scince well....ever to my knoledge. and they were the first to land on an american ship, AND I got to fly one of their trash cans er I mean helix's....my point being, alliances change, times change, and while I've spent the majority of my navy career training to hunt their equipment, those days have changed as well, we've now shifted training to a new threat, brown water ops (deisel subs) which is a muti-national threat. the pilots and military I got to work with on our exersise were nothing but true gentlemen in every sense of the word, granted we didnt open the entire ship up for them, but then again they didnt to us either....

Ask your Doctor if getting off your ass is right for you.

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10-11-2005 04:39 AM  13 years agoPost 9
valerko

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Ex you think too much.Sorry but didn't mean name calling .With all the respect
I said "you act " like one and appologized right after.
Forget about the whole thing.Man has a good time inRussia and we are ruining his post.
This one is for you,
http://www.runryder.com/t207760p1/

Cobra
anymore Pics.How about some Vodka samples?

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10-11-2005 09:18 AM  13 years agoPost 10
Ed Moore

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Yeah ur right and I will shut up on here.
Good plan.

I love Russia, it's an incredible place. I also visited places which really caught my imagination when I studied the USSR for GCSE (exams you do here when 16) like those amazingly dark and austere, almost post-apocalyptic industrial cities built during the massive Stalinist industrialisation, like Magnitogorsk and Mirny. They're all much scaled down now, and actually very friendly and enjoyable places, but there's this almost eerie unsettling feeling just to imagine the ruthless and souless way these places were built.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed your holiday. The place is amazing.

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10-11-2005 02:18 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Steve_JR

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Yikes... when I was growing up I thought "grown-ups" were mature... guess not. -Steve

Steve - Mount Joy RC Club

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10-11-2005 06:07 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Blair

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Way to go guys!

CobraJock started a great thread and you morons managed to **** it up within one post.

You should be ashamed.

Cobra your perspective is refreshing. Great pic.

Blair

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10-11-2005 06:12 PM  13 years agoPost 13
spaceman spiff

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Anyway, getting more or less back to the original topic,,,,

What advice would Ed or Cobra give to a traveler wanting to enjoy a couple weeks in Russia? Mostly interested in the folks, not old buildings.

What percentage speak english?
Is it necissary to have a car to get around?

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10-11-2005 09:16 PM  13 years agoPost 14
Vitya

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Bring lots of Vodka

If I do visit Russia someday, the previous statement won't sound like a joke anymore.

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10-11-2005 10:04 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Ed Moore

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Might have to second that. My mate and I ended up meeting an enormous bear of a guy called Yuri who, after quizzing us for nearly half an hour about the spirits we have in the UK, insisted we came back to his to try some of his own Vodka. The stuff was anaesthetic. Then he invited his (very) extended family around to "meet the English Gentlemens" (say it with a strong russian accent ). Well we ended up having dinner there, had a fantastic time, although his Vodka means I remember little of it. But I loved it.

I want to go to Belarus, especially the forests now, as I just do. I think I have the travel bug :-)

Spaceman- I did the clichéd studenty thing and back-packed around with my mate, bribing boarder guards with cigarettes and in one case getting a free bed for three nights by making a website for the hotel I was staying it- they'd just got the Net and the guy wanted "all of the world to know mine hotel".

So I'm guessing, without wanting to be accused of steroetyping ( ) that you're afer something slightly different. That said, we found being armed with a bit of Russian helps a huge amount, if only to horribly and, apparently amusingly, mispronounce it whilst trying to make conversation. But knowing a bit of russian, or at least making an effort, really opens them up, and tends to lower the price of things.

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10-11-2005 11:53 PM  13 years agoPost 16
spaceman spiff

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Sounds like my kind of place. Will attempt to learn some Russian, but i stink at my first language, so there is not much hope of getting very far with a second.

The best travel memories i have are simply hanging out at a pub in Sligo 3 sheets to wind attempting to sing allong with a bunch of guys named Paul. Going to a baseball games with the hotest babe in Tokyo. (highly recomend sitting in the outfield, everyone is quiet and polite in the base line seats, but its a great party in the outfield). forget the museums, Kabuki theature, Tokyo tower, Emporor's Palace, and all the ussual tourist traps, catch a baseball game, concert at a tiny littel blues club... Maybe its odd, but one of the best times i ever had in the UK was talking to an old lady in a laundrymat.

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10-13-2005 06:06 AM  13 years agoPost 17
CobraJock24

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I suppose I should respond.....
OK... I would have never imagined that my post would elicit such a thread.... I will respond only to the relevant questions regarding this positive experience:

"valerko" thank you for sharing your past experiences... they are identical to our experiences. Our nutricians are correct: we are a fat, over-weight country compared to them! You have to look for days to find an over-weight man or woman less than the age of say 30. In Moscow, well, they are starting to look more like us around the middle more each day! We made some honest, nice friends who will be coming here to visit us in the near future. It is about "the people" you get to meet and the experiences you share with them that makes the difference.

"rotorpsyco" your insights are mine also... which is one of the reasons I wished to visit. They are just like us... with the same dreams and aspirations for them, their country, and their families.

"Ed Moore" your statement regarding how things got built at the cost of human life is right on. The Russians we met ALL recognize this great cost; are able to speak about it with reserved and almost reverent tones that it happened; and it FULLY appears that they wish to see that these things are never repeated.

"spaceman spiff" Advice?
What percentage speak english? Depends if you are in a larger city or out rural. To begin with, only 80% of the Russians speak Russian! The rest speak their local language. I would say a pretty good percentage, like 35-40% of the younger folks speak some english. I know about 400 words in Russian. I did quite well. I learned on Day One to begin speaking in english, and THEN move into my limited Russian. I smiled, they smiled, and then you have never seen such help come pouring out! They are just like us, willing to help if they have the time... young shoppers are obviously better to speak to than older folks rushing off to work.. duh! Again, just like us. Spaceman... just get the language CD's and go for it... the Russian language is a challenge, but its also fun! One of our best time's was sipping mint vodka and eating ballini's at 11AM in a 70 something year old grandmother's one room home! She is amazing! We will never forget her!

Is it necessary to have a car to get around? No. Taxis are available in the larger cities, just stay away from those the gypsies drive... make sure you negotiate the fare PRIOR to getting in, and don't share the taxi with anyone you do not know... wow... sounds like any city here in the US!! Imagine that! There are guides that speak english in most of the cities, and if you wish to get in contact with them, let me know, as we do have some experience in this. Some even have cars to drive you around in while you visit.

They have a really fast Metro system in the larger cities; that is nothing but a tunnel full of art and sculptures in Moscow and St, Petersburg! Very steep and fast escalators! We felt very safe riding it.

Ed and spaceman... ok, you both have described what we feel makes a great vacation and traveling experience... being respectful, honest, open, and the same will be returned to you by the host country many times over.

I could go on for hours, trust me... suffice it to say folks, I did not let my ex-army officer, cobra helicopter pilot, Nam combat experience get in the way of STOPPING US from venturing off to Russia. I got over that "enemy stuff" long ago when I read how the communists lost power, etc. back in December 1990. My wonderful wife was all into going this trip, which in the end, exceeded all of her expectations also.

MY SOAP BOX: Things change. The important point is that: things will only get better when we acknowledge the changes that are occurring are for the better, and WE encourage them to get even better. (Stronger terms: Bury that dead dog you've been carrying, and move forward. If you don't ,you will miss some really great experiences in life.)

We are pretty much allies with Russia now.... and will become more so in the near future. We share a joint space venture, (which we were honored to tour the Gagarian Cosmonaut Training Center in Star City.) We have at least one American military base that I know of, on Russian Federation soil for the past what, three years? The Russian Federation gave us permission to take on the bad guys in Afganistan... and they are also? I should stop huh?!

Stephanie and I had our pictures taken across 800 miles of Russia... just like the one I posted here, (in the Red Square, where in 1961 Yuri Gagarian the first man in space was celebrated, etc.) Now just how great is that?!

I will end with the beginning: Russia is doing well, and may she do even better!

Cheers folks,
Grover

Folks... If you have specific questions or such, feel free to email me or PM me here on RR.

(Their "biggest problem" right now? Get ready for this: Who to vote for President when Putin's second five year term in office runs out! They all talk about it, regardless of age! They are so "democratic" right now, that they have too many small, local, political parties, and are having a problem 'building consensus' at the federation level! The local governments are VERY responsive to their citizens, and hence, without major parties on the federation level, that same level is hard to achieve.)

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10-13-2005 10:11 AM  13 years agoPost 18
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I didnt actually go to the city, but I spent 8 hours in the Moscow airport. As far as cleanliness, the airport sucked. And then everytime I tried talking to people, they were very standoff-ish as soon as they realized I was american, however after conversing a little bit, they were very friendly people and always enormously proud of their families and inquisitve of mine. Als, in the 8 hours there, out of the hundreds of woman I saw, maybe 3 were unattractive. Whether of not they are malnourished, the woman surely were beautiful. Tried talking my wife into letting me "host" a russian lady, but she saw right through it!

I did spend alot of time in a heavily influenced Russian country, Uzbekistan. Became friends with this guy that worked at my hotel, and he invited me to dinner. I thought it was going to be a regular eat dinner and drink beer thing, but somehow his WHOLE family found out about me, so they all had to meeet "a friendly american". It was a very enjoyable experience, and very enlightening as far as cultural differences.

And his father insisted that the ritual/tradition is to open and drink a whole fifth of vodka when a new friend is made. I wasnt quite sure if this was made up or not, however I didnt argue one bit when he handed me shots either.

I have made plenty of bad choices in my life, but at least I was never a Marine!

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10-14-2005 04:04 AM  13 years agoPost 19
Vitya

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The Russian girls are indeed sexy

It's a pleasure reading how these strangers took you into their homes. It sounds a lot like a country i'd like to visit. My dad knows some russian from the CCCP days but it's faded... Someday I shall drink some good russian vodka

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10-18-2005 11:07 AM  13 years agoPost 20
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Hey
Its nice to see the retarded are still with us to continue global hatred
pm me your address and Ill see if we can to re-target some icbm's.

I am dsylexia of borg..resistance is fruity...your arse will be laminated

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