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10-11-2005 01:33 AM  12 years agoPost 1
440GTX

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Calgary, Canada

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My last unplanned landing cost me a Crash kit.
Since then I have been practing Autos.
Well ... yesterday it happened again.
It looked really nice. It almost looked like I knew what I was doing.
Just a small bounce on landing

Fred..

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10-11-2005 01:34 AM  12 years agoPost 2
Helibras

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Congrats.

I'm planning to get there soon.


Gravity... the force to be defeated
Raptor 50SE; Hyper
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10-11-2005 01:56 AM  12 years agoPost 3
montarok

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Those auto practice come in handy.

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10-11-2005 02:03 AM  12 years agoPost 4
OsiViper

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Farmington, NM

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I need to practice them also, but i dont have much room to land around our place and the landing spot is uneven, so before i can do autos i need to find a place to do them at

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10-11-2005 02:11 AM  12 years agoPost 5
chuckhager

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What is everyone's thought on this philosophy?

Autorotation practice is suppose to save your heli from a crash, but I see a lot of people crash their helis practicing the very thing that is suppose to help keep them from crashing. I think I'll keep practicing in the sim and hope I can do it for real when I absolutely have to.

I have my sim setup so the engine failure rate is high enough that it dies at least once on every flight. Keeps me on my toes.

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10-11-2005 02:22 AM  12 years agoPost 6
Helibras

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Varies from person to person.

I personally like doing autos a lot. I practice it in my sim for pure pleasure and hope to get courage for doing it in real life soon


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10-11-2005 02:29 AM  12 years agoPost 7
OsiViper

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Farmington, NM

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i can do them perfectly in sim with no problemm, just dont know how real they are compared to RL...

i have taken my heli to about 100-200 feet and hit T-Hold and let it come down and flare it and hover for a sec just to see waht it feels like and how long i have before headspeed drops too much..

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10-11-2005 02:42 AM  12 years agoPost 8
vaportrail OLD

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I was crashing about every 10th auto last year but most crashes were minor. I've had several 'oportunities' to pull off engine off or tail rotor failure autos and the practice really pays off. Just dropping the heli in from 5-10 feet helps.

There's no substitute for real auto practice and I think it is really important to be comfortable with them. Being able to guide the heli down instead of just watching it fall is valuable not just for the heli. You could guide it away from things you don't want to hit. I've even brought a heli back to the runway from over tree tops.


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10-11-2005 04:13 AM  12 years agoPost 9
pH7

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I decided that it was time to learn autos just a couple of weeks ago. I had practiced on the sim. I had done many from a hover starting very low and working up to about 8 feet. I had done many of the top half of an auto from high down to the flare. All of that I started not too long after learning to hover.

I started by setting my throttle hold to just below hover speed and doing a full auto. It was quite simple with that much power, but it got me used to navigating, and throwing the hold switch off and back on if things weren't going as planned. When I finally got more consistent and comfortable, I reduced the throttle hold value and practiced again until comfortable. It took me about 12 tanks of doing almost nothing except: 1) climb to altitude, 2) auto in, 3) repeat 1 & 2 until the tank is near empty. By tank 11 I was down to doing real autos with the hold set at idle.

In tank 12, I had a sloppy auto landing and had a boom strike. Other than the boom and feathering shaft there wasn't really much damage. Sunday, I had my throttle servo malfunction, but is was in the middle of another auto practice, so I just brought it in. It wasn't as pretty as some of the other practices, but down safe.

Like Helibras, I really enjoy autos. Ever since I started flying in April, I have wanted to be able to do them and now I do feel pretty comfortable with it. I still do about half of each tank as auto practice, but I will taper off as I get better at that and move on to the next thing I want to learn.

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10-11-2005 05:30 AM  12 years agoPost 10
Russ Delaney

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Autos
We practice them on the fullsize all the time.

There is a good reason for it, Remember you dont have to practice them all the way to the ground.

We do whats called full flare recovery, you can do this down to say 10ft,

Use the flare to:
Arrest the rate of decent
reduce the forward airspeed
It will also increase rotor speed during the flare a good thing in a real auto

just keep practicing flying the heli to a safe landing area, go through the flare and then hit the throttle hold switch and recover.

If you then have an engine failure for real, you are less likely to panic and change the heli into a comet!!

Hope this helps

RUSS

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10-11-2005 12:03 PM  12 years agoPost 11
Chris Lupa

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Lancaster, UK

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Same things happened to me many times, but I've never crashed because of an engine failure because I've practised them lots. Apparently more people die trying to practise REAL Autorotations than when they actually need to do it - an actual engine stop is rare!

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10-11-2005 12:24 PM  12 years agoPost 12
zoom boy

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I dont bother except for practicing the last part (from 10-15ft) use the sim for the rest, saves money and saves heli.

I've only HAD to auto once, that was just a flame out and the heli was about 20ft up, going at about 10mph from the left to the right, just reduced collecive, and flared.

No reason to continuously risk it week in week out, for something that happens once in a blue moon.

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10-11-2005 01:11 PM  12 years agoPost 13
Heli88

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I think many of us that do auto's regularly do it because it is fun and challenging, not necessarily to practice for an engine failure.

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10-11-2005 01:35 PM  12 years agoPost 14
Chris Lupa

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Yeah I agree, I do autos because their fun to do, not because I'm preparing myself for when my engine quits.

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10-11-2005 01:59 PM  12 years agoPost 15
BANDANA

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Rochelle, Illinois

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I've just started doing them and I'll admit I'm addicted to the rush of my heli swooping down out of the sky and landing at my feet.....well maybe not there but on the field anyway. I did 3 tanks of autos last weekend and can't wait to get back out for more.
Work is interfering with my leisure time.

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10-11-2005 06:21 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Tron

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Morgan Hill, CA

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It's fun shooting autos for a whole tank. I've had sessions where I've done nothing but autos for 3 tanks. When the wind picks up, start doing autos. Make it interesting by trying to hit a spot. I just throw a rock out on the pavement and try to bring my heli as close to it as possible. You'll really learn how much control you really have when you try and hit a spot. It will also teach you how much reserve you have left when you are trying to stretch it out. Lastly, you could win the auto contest at your next funfly!

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10-11-2005 07:10 PM  12 years agoPost 17
bobkins

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hi,

I must say that it is quite a rush to do a auto, but they can go wrong I only did 5 full down auto's and crashed on the 3rd time. Only the boom, spindle and mast where damaged. But after the crash it took some courage to flip the hold switch again.

Greets Rob

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10-11-2005 10:06 PM  12 years agoPost 18
Heli88

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Clarkston, MI

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Rob...that's what makes it fun

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10-11-2005 10:51 PM  12 years agoPost 19
patriot21

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IMHO..... I think everyone should learn them on their machine..not just the sim..... No matter how close your sim chopper is to your real one... its still going to be different......
Plus once you do one and grease it perfectly... they are addicting.... its fun to have contests to see how close you can get to a designated spot on the ground....

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10-11-2005 11:31 PM  12 years agoPost 20
FBaity

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Tuscaloosa, AL

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Autos have saved me a ton of money over the years.

Power recover autos in full size is for the weak hearted. When I went through Warrent training we went to the ground and later with Air America we went to the ground every 6 months in our prof check. UH-1 / 205 is a dream to auto.

Frank Baity
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