RunRyder RC
WATCH
 4 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )     4     NEXT    >> ] 3413 views TOPIC CLOSED
HomeAircraftHelicopterHelicopter Main Discussion › A.M.A. events Who's in control
10-12-2005 05:01 AM  12 years agoPost 41
Augusto

rrElite Veteran

US

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I only know I had more fun at this event than in any other event this year.

If they start getting the little Napoleon complexes and going all nazi on us with a barrage of rules and regulations let me know so I can save myself a trip to another boring funfly gone south for falling to the trap of the regulating police. Remember kyoshocamper at Run Lund's funfly?. Ron didn't fall for that trap and still runs a relaxed atmosphere funfly and it's one of the event where you get the most fun in the US.

If you keep the same relaxed format then it'll be a winner for may years to come.

People just want more and more regulations. They can't handle freedom and they want the government (impound or whatever you want to call it in each case) to take care of them instead. We are a society that has lost the sense of responsibility for your own actions. The person that shot him down is the one responsible. This witchhunt is simply the result of frustration and weak minds following other weak minds. Everyone needs to get back to the way our fathers and grandfathers used to do things when society expected everyone to take responsibility for their own actions. If we don't learn to demand it from the person who is really responsible our society will become weaker and weaker.

Again congratulations to Jerry and his team for a fantastic event in every aspect of it.

Augusto.

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 12:24 PM  12 years agoPost 42
raptorchris

rrApprentice

Mliford, CT

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 01:11 PM  12 years agoPost 43
doorman

rrProfessor

Sherwood, Arkansas

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Out Of Control......
This post has run the same direction as a lot of other posts here on RR, and it is now headed nowhere!!!!
So it is time to put this one to rest..... it is not doing anyone any good and the info now is just "blah blah blah" or he said, she said.......
I spoke with Jerry last evening and there was none of the bull that I am seeing come from others on this post.... we disscussed, very civily I might add, what had happened, why some of the things were said, and in all fairness, some neither of us knew the answer to....
The bottom line here is to let this thread DIE!!!!!
I was not at this event due to another commitment, but from what I understand it was one of the better ones this season.... so let's leave it at that..
Yes, a heli got shot down, but as many others have posted, it is the fault of the "gentleman" that did it.....
During the conversation with Jerry, I asked some questions about the use of the synth radios, since I have not really been exposed to that many as of yet, and he answered each question to help clear up thier usage and how they can be used.... and we both agreed that it is something that we may have to look at in a different way as they get more popular, but again, this in not a perfect world and "stuff" can happen, and it will....
Do we need to police cars as they arrive.... I certainly hope not...
Do we need to walk the flight line to make certain every transmitter is impounded... I certainly hope not... this is the responsibility of every pilot... Let's not loose site of this.... common sense plays a big part in our hobby and it's safety....
But lets stop the name calling and the throwing rocks and take a look to see how things might be improved upon without taking the FUN out of this hobby.... life supplies enough stress, and this is supposed to relieve that...
The original post that I made was founded on information that I had gotten from different conversations and not first hand, so if any of it was taken in any other context, except for constructive, I am sorry, because that was my entire intent....
So, I guess what I am asking here is if this can end... it is already way too far gone, and it should have never gotten......
As good as computers are, it is still hard to beat a good one on one convesation to settle matters....

Stan

AMA 2918-Team Spin Blades,,Castle Creations, Unique Aircraft

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 01:27 PM  12 years agoPost 44
Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

If they start getting the little Napoleon complexes and going all nazi on us with a barrage of rules and regulations let me know so I can save myself a trip to another boring funfly gone south for falling to the trap of the regulating police. Remember kyoshocamper at Run Lund's funfly?. Ron didn't fall for that trap and still runs a relaxed atmosphere funfly and it's one of the event where you get the most fun in the US.
Perhaps you would feel differently if you were the one shot down. Perhaps very differently. Also, not everyone has the financial means to easily replace an expensive heli because some careless individual turn on by accident.
People just want more and more regulations. They can't handle freedom and they want the government (impound or whatever you want to call it in each case) to take care of them instead. We are a society that has lost the sense of responsibility for your own actions. The person that shot him down is the one responsible. This witchhunt is simply the result of frustration and weak minds following other weak minds. Everyone needs to get back to the way our fathers and grandfathers used to do things when society expected everyone to take responsibility for their own actions. If we don't learn to demand it from the person who is really responsible our society will become weaker and weaker.
If everyone is so trustworthy why do we need an impound in the first place? Lets get real here. There is a reason there is an impound and there is a reason the AMA requires one (just in case someone at some event decides he's going to do things the way his grandfather did). And how are we going to prove exactly who shot him down? How many synth radios were there? Yeah, right.

The problem here is that the pilot who was shot down is taking action to ensure he and his fellow pilots can fly their helis in a safe manner. Now, if the person who was down hit someone who do you think is the one who would be held responsible? And would they really be able to prove who turned on?

Now I know why I don't bother going to fly-flys anymore. The entry fees are outrageous, fun level is way down, the danger level is way up.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 02:32 PM  12 years agoPost 45
CT.Chopper

rrVeteran

Meriden, CT

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Sorry about all the hassle jerry,

I dont have the time to read the whole post
but i get the idea....the pilot is responsible to get his or her transmitter back to the impound . PERIOD!


hey who is to say that someone down the street doesn't have a park flier and was flying in their back yard?

anyone can buy a park flier or micro heli and fly anywhere they want,
who is going to stop them from flying in their back yard?

Food for thought, this WILL be a problem soon ( it probably is allready)

what are (we) the club members that have ama and belong to the proper clubs going to do about this.?????

Rob Landry.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 09:26 PM  12 years agoPost 46
Gearhead

rrMaster

Vt

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I think the following will be a big help at the field,,,
while at the fields I have wished many times I knew what frequency a given guy or heli or plane was on,,,

at fun flies, have all flyers tape 8 inches square piece of paper on the front of their tables with their frequency number on them, if they have 3 radios with 3 different frequencys then they have 3 numbers taped to the front of their tables,,,

we could call these "Frequency Number Plates"

Jim

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 09:47 PM  12 years agoPost 47
Christian

rrApprentice

Boston, MA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

'

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 09:55 PM  12 years agoPost 48
nytracon

rrApprentice

Scotchtown, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 10:13 PM  12 years agoPost 49
SolarXtreme

rrVeteran

Arroyo Grande, CA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

It sounds as if this group put on one hell of an event..... but it also sounds as if they let the "big guys" sort of tell them how they would be running the show, and to me this is where the trouble began....
I saw this very same thing happen at Las Vegas this year. Poor kid fired up his Fury took off and bam lockout. The "guy-in-question" comes running out asking if the kid had his frequency pin which he indeed did and then changed his story to "my module was out of my radio". I know lockouts can happen at anytime for any reason but the coincidence that he happend to be on the same channel and operating his radio is too great. This was after impound was closed for the evening due to adverse weather. The "guy-in-question" is a fairly well known pilot and should have known better and he was not about to admit his error nor was he offering any reimbersment of any kind. I don't care how good of a pilot you think you are be a man and take responsibility for your own action.
I will NOT apoligize for something that I did consistent with accepted heli funfly practices. Do you understand that at Vegas this year, a guy got shot down in front of all? Mark has pictures of the crowd looking at the dead wreckage. And as far as crashes go - it was a legitimate $400 + heli crash. Did he get a new heli? No. Did he get a formal apology from the CD? I doubt it. Did the people who have been shot down at IRCHA over the last two years get compensation for their downed helis??? No - not from the event coordinators.
This is the incident I am referring to.
.

I picked a hell of a day to quit drinking

Avant EFX
Freya EVO

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 10:22 PM  12 years agoPost 50
brooksnb

rrKey Veteran

Sussex , New Brunswick , Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I've been following this thread closely because it is something that can and maybe does happen at other events...
I have one question..Tom had a frequency checker (perhaps a cheapie) ...if there was a frequency concern and a questionable checker involved...why didn't the CD use the speaker system to see if someone else had a checker...or for that matter with so many fliers at the event why did the event not have a reliable checker themselves ??

Perhaps it should be mandatory that all events of this magnitude have a frequency checker in the compound.

.

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.... Dennis

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 10:26 PM  12 years agoPost 51
raptorchris

rrApprentice

Mliford, CT

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 10:36 PM  12 years agoPost 52
brooksnb

rrKey Veteran

Sussex , New Brunswick , Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

raptorchris...

HOW DARE YOU flame me for asking a question on this OPEN forum !! If I accused you then perhaps you would have some right...but not by the statement that I made.
I am sorry that you have been involved in such a fiasco...don't bring it on RR forum and crap all over me or anybody else who asks something....I DON'T give a RAT'S BUTT what you think of my opinon on this open forum....If this is not a thread that others can post to...without being a part of your arguement...perhaps you should pick someplace other than RR to duke it out...

An apology would be welcomed...

.

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.... Dennis

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 11:16 PM  12 years agoPost 53
nytracon

rrApprentice

Scotchtown, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

...

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 11:22 PM  12 years agoPost 54
raptorchris

rrApprentice

Mliford, CT

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-12-2005 11:29 PM  12 years agoPost 55
brooksnb

rrKey Veteran

Sussex , New Brunswick , Canada

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

My reply came before you editted your post
I did not edit my post...I don't know where you ever got that idea.

I'll start a new thread with my thoughts put into a question...I sincerely hope you guys will steer clear of bringing your nonsence into play there.

.

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.... Dennis

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-13-2005 02:25 AM  12 years agoPost 56
rockier

rrKey Veteran

Las Vegas

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

SolarXtreme
I am the CD for the Las Vegas Fun Fly and we have never had a Heli shout down during the event. The guy you are talking about this year was flying after the event was shut down as you said and they was using the frequency board. We do not have control over the flyers after the event is shut down.
I saw this very same thing happen at Las Vegas this year. Poor kid fired up his Fury took off and bam lockout. The "guy-in-question" comes running out asking if the kid had his frequency pin which he indeed did and then changed his story to "my module was out of my radio". I know lockouts can happen at anytime for any reason but the coincidence that he happend to be on the same channel and operating his radio is too great. This was after impound was closed for the evening due to adverse weather. The "guy-in-question" is a fairly well known pilot and should have known better and he was not about to admit his error nor was he offering any reimbersment of any kind. I don't care how good of a pilot you think you are be a man and take responsibility for your own action.
This is the same problem at all fields the the pilots do not look at the frequency boards and turns on some one. I did talk to the guy that got shut down and told him how sorry I was and that I would try to help him with the AMA. I did try to help him but the AMA said they will do nothing for him.

We try to make sure everyone has fun and there is not a problem with frequency. You know the CD's can not make sure every radio is in in-pond and the flyers are not turning them on. I do walk the lines and try to make sure there is no radios in the pits but I still miss some.

If anyone knows how to stop this kind on problem I would like to here it.

-

------,\\\|///,-----
___*| # # |*
oo0---(_)---0oo

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-13-2005 02:32 AM  12 years agoPost 57
Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

If anyone knows how to stop this kind on problem I would like to here it.
Well, you could check TXs at the gate, but the cry-babies have already voiced their opinion on that one.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-13-2005 03:43 AM  12 years agoPost 58
Jeff Swartz

rrKey Veteran

Ohio

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

As someone who was actually there..... I have my 2 cents to add!

Jerry and his crew did EVERYTHING as good or better than any event I have ever attended.

The "person" on chanel 33 that has been accused of tuning on, I have seen at many events over the course of several years. If I was to see someone ask him "Did you turn you radio on?" I would expect no less of an answer than "Yes Sure I did.." Of course ment as a joke. Furthermore... If this person had made the mistake of turning a tx on with out the pin, I believe he would own up to the mistake and make things right. It is sad to see, that just because he had his radio at the time, and it was on the same channel as the Tiger50, that everyone here is deeming him as guilty.

Tom said that for previous flights he was getting hits like someone was turning on.... then ulitmately his machine crashed.... so, why would the possibality of someone turning on out-weigh the idea that there could be something causing it within his heli?

Sorry, but I have lost helis in the past at small events, large events, local fields, and even in my front yard. Always wondered if I was "shot down". I'm sure I have been.... but I have never gone running and accusing someone of that, just because they "have" access to their radio. That is just not right.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
10-13-2005 03:45 AM  12 years agoPost 59
Jerry Sudimick

rrVeteran

Connecticut

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Sometimes the voices and actions of about 4 or 5 outweigh the other 125.

I have no interest in running another event in the northeast.

Someone else can get all the guys I did to come out and fly with you. Or - buy airline tickets and gas and find your own events.

ECEH #1 was the 1st and last.

Jerry

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
10-13-2005 03:51 AM  12 years agoPost 60
kaptkaos

rrKey Veteran

Miami FL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

You know, I know you guys are all pretty smart, but how can such a simple fact be overlooked?

IT WAS STATED IN THE FIRST POST THAT A FREQ SCANNER PLAINLY SHOWED THAT HIS CHANNEL WAS ON WHILE HE HAD THE CLIP!!!!!!!

This is dangerous and deserves serious action. The fact that he lost his model is not that important, the fact that nobody got hurt is. 125 pilots means about 300 people....much higher likelihood of somebody getting hurt, or property getting damaged.

Once the CD was made aware that someone had a TX out without a Clip, verified with a scanner, the Flight line should have been shut down, and the radios impounded, IMMEDIATELY, no questioned asked, and no flying until the TX on that channel was turned in. The guys in the impound can easily watch the scanner during the day.

Dont try to blame it on the guys radio equipment.
It seems like it was a great event, a mistake was made, by a rogue pilot, and by the event staff. A better response should have been given, and more emphasis placed next year.

If you give a Chimp a gun, and the Chimp shoots, DONT BLAME THE CHIMP!!!!

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR
WATCH
 4 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )     4     NEXT    >> ] 3413 views TOPIC CLOSED
HomeAircraftHelicopterHelicopter Main Discussion › A.M.A. events Who's in control
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 20  Topic Subscribe

Sunday, September 23 - 1:02 pm - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

The RC discussion world needs to consolidate. RR is now one choice for that. Its software is cutting edge. It hosts on-topic advertising. Help RR increase traffic buy making suggestions, posting in RR's new areas (sites) and by spreading the word.

The RunRyder Difference

• Category system to allow Rep/Vendor postings.
• Classifieds with sold (hidden) category.
• Classifieds with separate view new.
• Answer PMs offsite via email reply.
• Member gallery photos with advanced scripting.
• Gallery photo viewer integrated into postings.
• Highly refined search with advanced back end.
• Hosts its own high end fast response servers.
• Hosts thousands of HD event coverage videos.
• Rewrote entire code base with latest technology.
• No off-topic (annoying) click bait advertising.
Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online