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10-10-2005 10:43 PM  13 years agoPost 21
Jerry Sudimick

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10-10-2005 10:51 PM  13 years agoPost 22
jb_turner

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I think the idiot who shot you down is at fault even if freq control let him fly. On the other hand maybe you got locked out?

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10-11-2005 01:38 AM  13 years agoPost 23
raptorchris

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10-11-2005 02:24 AM  13 years agoPost 24
white chocolate

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My exact thoughts Jerry!! Why this cheesy post after two weeks. And why not try to resolve this with the person in charge before putting it out there.

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10-11-2005 02:37 AM  13 years agoPost 25
Bobby Watts

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Tom,

Sorry you had this happen to you, but this happens at almost every event unfortunately. Jerry, Dawn, and the rest of the CT crew busted their asses all day to ensure that the frequency control was safe and efficent. In case you didn't know, people were shot down at IRCHA too. Even with the fancy pagers, tight impound, and the impound workers on the mic, people still got shot down. It is a risk you take by going to a fun fly.

I think Jerry had a great event overall, and it is sad to see something like that happen. I saw the helicopter afterwards, and it looked like a quick rebuild, but I guess not. Hope you get back in the air soon, if not already, but Jerry is not the one to blame.

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10-11-2005 03:40 AM  13 years agoPost 26
Jerry Sudimick

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Tom and I talked this evening. I am glad that we were able to discuss this issue.

I offered to refund all of their money, but Tom has pointed out that this is not what he is after. I am sorry that they did not enjoy themselves at our event. This is unfortunate that we did not live up to their expectations.

I wish him all the best at future events, and if there is an ECEH #2, hope to see him there.

Jerry

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10-11-2005 04:36 AM  13 years agoPost 27
Detroit Steve

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I was at the event all 3 days enjoyed every second of the event. I felt that Impound was run well and the trailer added a professional touch, much like you would find at Ircha and other large events. With an event of this size 126 registered pilots, I believe this is one of the largest events the East Coast has seen. It takes a huge amount of work to run it successfully. I've held a fair number of events in the past, and I believe the impound was run right. If you were there at the event, you would know what I am talking about. I saw the number of 14MZ's at the event and was impressed, but I saw them in the impound trailer as well. The event had a very friendly feel to it, anyone who was there can tell you that. I feel bad for Tom's loss, it is never cool to have a machine go in from radio problems, but everything that flies has an expiration date on it somewhere. As far as the big dogs running the event, I saw them flying, not flipping burgers, registration, or impound. This event was a blast, I had my luggage lost for over 2 days, had to get a ride from the airport (Thanks RaptorChris)and didn't get to fly until 2 on Saturday. I don't think Tom is asking for sympathy or money, I think he is just showing us this to be a lesson for all. I just feel that such issues like this should have been handled much sooner and in private first before people start jumping to conclusions. What happens happens. I'll be back next year, and I know this event will be bigger next year.

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10-11-2005 02:29 PM  13 years agoPost 28
TUFF MUFFLER

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I spoke to Jerry again last night,let me say agian this is not about mony this is a safty issue,Yes i'm sure they could have done a better job with radio impound,weather Jerry can admit it or not,simply put i shouldn't have to tell them that when the frequency pin comes back it should come back with the transmitter or the module.the fact that they gave back the ama card with out getting the tranmitter back and yes it happened to be on my frequency.
How many people have to wonder if it was a fault of the heli,transmitter or pilot error,and yes as Jerry likes to remind me someone out in the parking lot. The question becomes who has to get hurt with a radio impound like this we were all lucky with pilots so close to the action.
As pilots who attend these events we should expect all pilots to impound there transmitters.With pilot reg the CD should know who operates on what channel and where every transmitter is ,which should be in the radio impound with out the pin.pilots with the new 14z transmitters have a new responsabilty to make sure they know what channel they operate on before they tranmit a signal,perhaps they should provide some kind of document to radio impound when they change there frequency,again ther should be no exception for radio impound. I know if somebody gets hurt I would want to make sure that the heli did not suffer from radio lockout.Again pilots it up to us to get are transmitters into radio impound.
In response to Raptochris when we spoke Sunday morning it whould have been easy for you to stop the cars driving past the radio impound and let them know you where open to take in there transmitters and that it should be done asp. simply put Tom

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10-11-2005 02:50 PM  13 years agoPost 29
raptorchris

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10-11-2005 09:29 PM  13 years agoPost 30
shaltac

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Just a side note from the Peanut gallery:
You would need that special documentation from not only the 14Z guys, but also anyone using-
Multiplex Profi Series
Multiplex Royal Evo Series
Polk Tracker Series
JR - anything that takes a module
Futaba - 8/9/10? - synth/dial a crash
Hitec synth/module stuff
and the list goes on, and on, and on...
There are tons of radios out there capable and approved for frequency hopping. Can you name and recognise all of them? I can also fiddle with my EVO all day with the RF off, I usually pull the pin anyway to keep the dirty looks down, even though I know that it's about as harmful as a can of pop with the RF off, and that the pin means nothing if I somehow was careless enough to snag the wrong frequency. The only shootdown I've seen personally was with a non synth TX laying on a bench without a pin... Frequency control is only as good as the people who use the equipment. There is nothing an impound can do to protect us from a careless, uneducated, or just plain jerky individual. In fact all an impound does is to help keep the honest pilots from making a mistake and shooting someone down accidentaly, and allowing management of the flightline to some extent.

I'm wrong no matter what I do, so I might as well have fun doing it!

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10-11-2005 09:53 PM  13 years agoPost 31
jb_turner

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Have you spoke to the person who possibly shot you down? ultimatley that person is at fault if it were a shoot down.

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10-11-2005 10:35 PM  13 years agoPost 32
Detroit Steve

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Stopping cars in the name of frequency control???
I've never seen anyone set up a road block to take frequency control to an extreme level like that. If someone stopped me at the fun fly entrance, and wanted to search my truck for transmitters, I would be shocked. At this particular event you have a twisty mountain road with a very small gravel entrance. For someone to even consider plugging up traffic like that is ludacris. Making synth transmitter owners sign waivers to fly? Then there would be a traffic jam with the people coming in as the synth owners are leaving because they are having to fill out paper work everytime they want to fly. Putting your ama card in the slot or on the board is done at nearly every AMA club in the country, this should be old hat for us by now. This is a "fun" fly, and the system that they used was exactly like the 100's of past fun flies and events used. The system works, and his event was no exception. Jerry or any of the other workers don't need to admit anything was done wrong because nothing was done wrong. Even the Weather was perfect. The problem lies with the "guy" that shot down our fellow pilot. The event happened almost 3 weeks ago, any actions or reprecutions should have happened immediately on Saturday, not like they did here... 3 weeks later and without contacting the parties involved privately. When a pilot registered at his event, they gave them the number of frequencies they'd be using for their machines, or for the first time I saw, had a special selection for synth. If I had a little hobbico frequency checker and saw my channel lit up, I would find out who was on, and not fly until it was resolved. Common sense would lead me to the registration where I would find out who was on my channel, introduce myself to them, and begin to share frequency usage. This way you can see them flying, and know exactly who you should look for when the pin is out. It is also a good way to meet new friends and have a good time. Sometimes I've helped spot for them and they took turns spotting for me, which helps in safety. Once again, I had a great time. I didn't win any raffle prizes, but I did get a few flights in and enjoyed watching the flying.

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10-11-2005 10:44 PM  13 years agoPost 33
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First off I wasn't at the event so don't know the details.

Tom has some valid points about safety etc... as I've been to events where safety/impound/etc... were all put on the back burner and was essentially a free for all. It was quite unnerving and I ultimately left the event after just half day on saturday. It just wasn't worth the risk.

I've known Jerry for several years and can tell you he is a straight up guy also and would have DEFINITELY handled the situation right then had he been made aware sooner.

The guy who turned on is responisble and should be the guy you are bitching at. The impound area is a first line of defense on something like this happening, but the operator at the end of those sticks is the responsible party to make SURE his frequency is clear.

Just my $.03


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10-12-2005 03:30 AM  13 years agoPost 34
VT Fly Girl

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First off I was at the event and Tom made it known to Jerry as soon as this happened. Nothing was done. I witnessed the frequency pin turned in, the AMA card returned and no transmitter was collected. I then saw Jerry go out to the flight line and ask for the transmitter after the fact. This person in question was a little upset that he was asked to turn in his transmitter. Why? Isn't this normal? Anyway, when he turned it in, no one opened the case so make sure the transmitter or module was even in the case. I'm sorry, but the few events that I've been to, this is procedure. No, the impound was not run properly. Maybe just a apoligee and a commitment to try and do a better job at the next event would have been enough to make the situation better. But after waiting and hoping that someone would call and tell him something and getting nothing, hoping that maybe the problem would just disapear, doesn't work for anyone. It's not that hard to just say" I'm sorry."
I think Tom had every right to voice his opinion. For anyone who knows Tom, they know that Tom is not one to start trouble. And for those of you who don't, well maybe one day you'll be fortunate enough to know him.

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10-12-2005 03:33 AM  13 years agoPost 35
Jerry Sudimick

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10-12-2005 03:36 AM  13 years agoPost 36
white chocolate

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Well I guess this thread can be closed with this!!

DONT COME NEXT YEAR IF YOU WERENT HAPPY WITH THIS YEAR!!!

Noone is holding a gun to your head. You cant please everyone. Sorry but this stuff is part of the hobby. Yea it sucks especially when it happens to you or me!! But what can you do about it. Maybe someone could make a living being a funfly cop!!!

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10-12-2005 03:49 AM  13 years agoPost 37
VT Fly Girl

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weather it was Jerry or not who got the transmitter turned in is not the real issue here now is it? The fact that it wasn't brought in and the fact that it wasn't collected are the issues. And, I didn't fly after paying the registration because I didn't feel like picking up pieces to my heli to.What still no apoligee? Or even the promise to try and do a better job next time? As I also understand it. This sight was never tested before the event for any outside radio transmissions, or interferance. Isn't this also a free service from the A.M.A.? Probably would have been a good idea to have it tested before inviting 126 pilots to the event.

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10-12-2005 03:59 AM  13 years agoPost 38
MJWS

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Blame the impound. Blame the AMA. Blame the CD. Blame Jerry. Blame your bearings.

How bout blame the guy who turned on. Any heli pilot who is not a complete d!ck will replace your bird if he shot you down. You certainly aren't the first. You won't be the last. Even with the best of impound procedure accidents still happen.

If it's smaller than IRCHA... take 2 minutes and say hello to the guys on your frequency. Shake a hand and smile... makes it way easier to get paid if things go south.

Sucks that you lost your bird. But go after the guy that nailed you not a group of guys that worked their butts off to put on a good event.

Mike

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10-12-2005 04:06 AM  13 years agoPost 39
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10-12-2005 04:24 AM  13 years agoPost 40
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