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10-10-2005 05:34 PM  12 years agoPost 1
TUFF MUFFLER

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I recently attended an AMA event in CT.Registration was $30.00 a shirt was $15.00,there were over 100 pilots.when i was ready to fly iwent and got the frequency pin and preceded up to the flight line everything was going fine about 7 min into the flight i heard my name called over the pa system,someone was looking for my frequency pin a couple of min went bye and then it happened total radio lock out.my Tiger 50 had turned and would not respond as i had no control.my friend Stan had told me never stop flying and just as fast as things went away they came back and in a few moments i had it level and back on the ground.It felt like someone had turned on a transmitter and then turned it off again.I got lucky that time.
I quickly brought this bad situation to the radio impound and sure enough there were transmitters out there without there frequency pins. I saw the guy go out and come back with a transmitter case.
After lunch I went back and got my frequency pin and was apox 5 min into my flight I got hit with radio lock out this time it went in behind some dirt pile.after i got to my heli and turned it off and shut the transmitter down I ck my frequency monitor and chanel 33 stayed on again I went to the radio Impound and this time the guy told me it was beyond his control.repairs to the heli cost my apox 400.00 hotel cost me apox 100.00 and gas to get to the event almost 125.00 reg 30.00 ea and 2 shirts 15.00 ea. again who do you think has control of an A.M.A.event Tom

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10-10-2005 05:42 PM  12 years agoPost 2
zoom boy

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Bollox, if you have to pay to register then I would say that TX control is liable for it, saying after-the-fact that an organisation isnt liable is just wrong.

Basically it would be like a paid for service and they failed, afterall if they say its beyond their control then they are quite litterally saying, we are here for no purpose except to add complication to the event because we are ineffective, which (call me cynical if you must) seems to me not far off a money making excercise.

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10-10-2005 05:44 PM  12 years agoPost 3
white chocolate

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Dont mean to stand on the other side of the line but I thought they did a great job with the impound.

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10-10-2005 05:54 PM  12 years agoPost 4
dariof

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Dont mean to stand on the other side of the line but I thought they did a great job with the impound.
If this happened like this individual said it happened, it doesn't sound like such a good job at all.
It felt like someone had turned on a transmitter and then turned it off again.I got lucky that time....and sure enough there were transmitters out there without there frequency pins. I saw the guy go out and come back with a transmitter case.
I got hit with radio lock out this time it went in behind some dirt pile.... i got to my heli and turned it off and shut the transmitter down ...I ck my frequency monitor and chanel 33 stayed on again
Of course his lock-out could have been for entirely unrelated and coincicental issues and not faulty impound procedures at all.

One may only surmise, but from what was said in the initial post, it does seem like he got hit.

Best Regards, Dario

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10-10-2005 06:00 PM  12 years agoPost 5
ChrisMoore

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Of course his lock-out could have been for entirely unrelated and coincicental issues and not faulty impound procedures at all. One may only surmise.....
I think we can safely conclude that the impound is at fault. What are the chances of a radio lock-out unrelated to the other transmitters being out in use?


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10-10-2005 06:15 PM  12 years agoPost 6
white chocolate

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Well I dont want to get in pissing match. Just curious. Are we 100% (nothing less) that there was another radio out on same freq??? There are plenty of reasons why it could have locked out. I think to jump off the deep end and start blaming isnt right. Also what is the point of this post. Are you trying to recoup money? Get another heli? You know who ran this event. You could have definatly took it up with him. Did you even try to talk this person? Somone at the inpound might have said they coudlnt do anything bout it but Im sure the person running event would have done something. I had a glitch that same day the crash happend. Im hovering for a minute and all the sudden heli goes crazy. Then stops. I landed it and checked things out. I had a slight notchy bearing on my mast. Took it up after that and all is good. So you cant say it was definatly the impounds falt. Unfortunatly noone will know. And why post this two weeks later??

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10-10-2005 06:18 PM  12 years agoPost 7
SteveH

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Sorry guys, but I will have to disagree with you on this one, I believe the guy who turned on is at fault. Even with an operating impound, they cannot force everyone to impound their radio, as was the case in this instance. It is always the operator of the radio's responsibilty to conform to safe operating rules, and this means impounding your radio when requested, and not turning on your radio without a frequency flag. IMHO there is too many people these days that won't take responsibility for there own actions.

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10-10-2005 06:26 PM  12 years agoPost 8
zoom boy

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Read what he said again, the second one was definatly someone else turning on on his channel
after i got to my heli and turned it off and shut the transmitter down I ck my frequency monitor and chanel 33 stayed on

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10-10-2005 06:38 PM  12 years agoPost 9
TUFF MUFFLER

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after the crash with the heli and transmitter off the hobbico frequency monitor ch 33 stayed lite for 5-10 min,and i showed that to the guy in radio impound.yes radio impound should meam all transmitters should be in it they could have shut the flight line down till they complied. they sould be happy no one got hurt.Tom

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10-10-2005 06:41 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Steve Campbell

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What SteveH said.

The most rigid transmitter impound system cannot prevent some retard from turning on his tx at his car, "just to check something out". This happens more often than you would think; which is the reason I quit flying at fly-ins.

I quit GOING to fly-ins when I felt a perceived need to wear a hard hat... but that's another topic.

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10-10-2005 07:20 PM  12 years agoPost 11
MicroDOC

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Like SteveC said, someone in the parlking lot could have turned on his transmitter without thinking. There are also new pilots that show up at these events that are not AMA members nor members of a club. He could have possibly fired up his transmitter not knowing any better. The situation should have been drawn to the attention of the proper authority at the time. Hopefully there were signs warning people not to turn on their radios until cleared to do so.

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10-10-2005 07:24 PM  12 years agoPost 12
JKos

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It is the Contest Director who is ultamitely in charge but not necessarily liable. Whoever is listed as the CD on the AMA sanction for the event is in charge.

We only have one side of the story here so far, but it doesn't sound like the impound was being well kept. If there were ever two radios out on the same frequency, then the impound failed to do its job.

> Even with an operating impound, they cannot force everyone to
> impound their radio,

Why not? Is that not the point of the impound? We certainly do at our events. If we see a transmitter out of the impound when it shouldn't be, you better believe something will be said.

> There are also new pilots that show up at these events that are not
> AMA members nor members of a club.

Then how do they register at an AMA sanctioned event if they are not AMA members?

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10-10-2005 07:25 PM  12 years agoPost 13
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I'd say after my first problem with the impound I would have stopped flying there or at least do a hard target search for everyone on my channel. I am sure you could ask for your registration money back but if impound had to cover the actions of every dumbass it would not be worth the financial risk to hold an event. Plus most of these events raise money for the clubs of charities and volunteers run the impound so you get what you pay for. Its sad that you can do everything in your power to protect your model yet some dumbass can still take it away.

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10-10-2005 07:42 PM  12 years agoPost 14
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I know NO MUFF 2 TUFF "Tom", he is a great guy and you can believe him, Doorman and Ray Stacy should tell you the same thing "Tom's a great guy", Tom told me the story face to face (without anger), what he didn't say in this post is after the first mishap is he asked the guy in-question~ if he had his Tx turned on and the guy said yes, then Tom told this guy that he was flying and then the guy said he was joking and he didn't have it on,,, what's up with that,,, I believe it was Tom's Vigor CS that was shot down (not his Tiger), you don't joke about a $2000 heli being shot down, what if it happened to hurt someone,,, as I said I know Tom, he doesn't want to be mean or rude about it, he just feel's someone should pay him for his parts,,,

the guy that shot Tom down know's the game, and he played the game, and he cheated someone by turning his Tx on when he shouldn't even have had it, and he shot Tom down, how would he feel if it happened to him, he should pay Tom for the parts, I know Tom would have been right there writing a check if he shot someone down...

diss-claimer, Tom did not know I was going to write this reply !!
Jim

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10-10-2005 07:53 PM  12 years agoPost 15
MicroDOC

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> There are also new pilots that show up at these events that are not
> AMA members nor members of a club.

Then how do they register at an AMA sanctioned event if they are not AMA members?

Most all events allow visitors to attend. There is also generally the ability to join the AMA at the event if the individual chooses to do so.

Ron…

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10-10-2005 10:13 PM  12 years agoPost 16
rstacy

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Jim,
Yes I agree that Tom is a great guy.
After that statement you have many errors in your post.
Yes the "guy in-question" was joking that he turned his radio on. This is certainly a poor joke after Tom received hits during his flight.
I am certain that he did not turn on and he certainly didn't do it on two separate flights.

>>I believe it was Tom's Vigor CS that was shot down<<
It was Tom's Tiger although there is a cost difference it is still unfortunate that the heli crashed.

>>the guy that shot Tom down know's the game, and he played the game, and he cheated someone by turning his Tx on when he shouldn't even have had it, and he shot Tom down, how would he feel if it happened to him, he should pay Tom for the parts, I know Tom would have been right there writing a check if he shot someone down...<<

You don't know who that is but I am certain that it was not the "guy in-question"
It is never good to see a heli crash but it's much worse to have it happen due to a lockout.

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10-10-2005 10:22 PM  12 years agoPost 17
TUFF MUFFLER

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I,am not looking to be a problem more like trying to help with a solution,i did offer to help with the radio impound while at the event but was told no thanks,if i had been running the event i would have shut the flight line down at noon sat and collected all the tranmitters and showed the people that when a tranmitter comes into the impound it's up to them to make sure they are off. this whould have got the impound off to a fresh start.
I have put on over a dozen sanctioned events with out problem with radio impound at the events that i have put on i have always accepted responsibilty for good frequency control. had this happened at my event the pilot would have been taken care of.and any time somebody offers to show me how to do something better u can bet your dollar i would listen to them.Tom

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10-10-2005 10:30 PM  12 years agoPost 18
doorman

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Impound Area.....
I have known Tom for about 16 years now, and he is a straight up individual, now and always has been..... I met him when I first moved to VT and helped to teach him to fly heli's a long time ago!!!
He called me the evening of this event and told me what had happended and I suggested that he approach the CD or the event coordinator on the following day and let them know what had happened... which from what he told me, he did the next evening... and the answer that he got was, we are doing the best that we can.....
This was not the answer that I had expected him to have gotten.... but he settled for it at the time.....
Since then he has spoken with a lot of people that have been in the hobby and competition for a long time, and the results from their comments are what brought him to make this post.....
It sounds as if this group put on one hell of an event..... but it also sounds as if they let the "big guys" sort of tell them how they would be running the show, and to me this is where the trouble began.... From what I understand, a lot of the guys with the new Futaba's and other high ticket radios did not want to impound their radios because they were to expensive.... This is wrong.... sorry.... this should have been taken care of as soon as it showed up in my book.... if you cannot play by the rules, you are no longer a welcomed guest of the club... but as soon as this was let go, that is when the group lost control of the impound... as someone else posted, the CD can shut down a flight line...
This is not throwing stones at anyone individual, but I really think that it was a mistake to let this happen, and that is how this problem arouse..
I know that I would have to stop flying at one of our events until this was resolved.... and I hope that the leaders of this event would take this as constructive and build from it before the next event...
As far as what is right..... pay for the repairs or not to pay, is only up to the club that held the event.... but a call to at least discuss it would help to reslove the issues that Tom has from this event....
JMHO....... Stan

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10-10-2005 10:33 PM  12 years agoPost 19
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10-10-2005 10:35 PM  12 years agoPost 20
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