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05-09-2005 02:51 AM  13 years agoPost 21
Luckylandings

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So would you have said the same thing if he said something in spanish, french, german, greek, chinese, or japanese?
Give me a break man.. The racial thing is really getting old.. I could give a **** less what color you are or what country your from.
But if we are not a peace with the country, then F`n A right!
There have been great patriots that were spanish, french, german, greek, chinese, japanese, etc.. But to be honest with you. Yes I am sick and tired of haveing to hear 5 different languages to use an ATM or anything else these days when millions of americans died for this country. All I was trying to say is this: If your grandfather died in a war fighting for the USA. Or your brothers and sisters are fighting now.
Why should those citizens and vetterans have to come on a USA heli sight and see that ****! And you can trash me, call me racial, whatever you want.

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05-09-2005 02:56 AM  13 years agoPost 22
Sar

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We're NOT at war with Israel...

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05-09-2005 02:58 AM  13 years agoPost 23
Luckylandings

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Hahaha. Yeah you got me there..

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05-09-2005 03:14 AM  13 years agoPost 24
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Well, like Sar said we're not at war with Israel. And last time I checked, this wasn't an exclusively American server. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your viewpoint) the US has no official language, so I would think it's going to be the way it is for a quite some time to come. How bad is it in Oregon? I know it's pretty overwhelming in the Miami area if you don't speak spanish.

I guess I just don't understand what bothers you so much, so they're speaking a different langauge, so what? And saying another's native (assuming) langauge is ****, well that doesn't exactly come off as a tolerant view point.

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05-09-2005 03:21 AM  13 years agoPost 25
Luckylandings

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And saying another's native (assuming) langauge is ****, well that doesn't exactly come off as a tolerant view point.
Again, thats not what I ment. I said veterans haveing to come and read that **** is bogus IMO.. I can see where that could be interpreted that way though. But not what I ment..

But since you guys want to trash my every word anyway, how about this!
I think we should just blow up that whole damn side of the world.
More room for the whales!!!!!
They all hate us anyway! Thats why I was curious to begain with..
Boy that should give you some good stuff to work with!!

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05-09-2005 03:31 AM  13 years agoPost 26
Billy Zimmerman

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I think what Lucky Landings is trying to get across is that this guy had typed english many times before and it was just weird that he typed in his other language on that thread after his friend lost out on that Fury. I dunno tho thats just my humble opinion

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05-09-2005 03:54 AM  13 years agoPost 27
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Alright man, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you didn't mean it that way. But what does being a veteran have anything to do with reading different languages?

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05-09-2005 04:18 AM  13 years agoPost 28
Luckylandings

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Just IMO why should they have to? And if you were asked to kill, lost bros and bled for your country. Shouldnt you be a little upset that they comform the USA to their needs instead of the other way around?
When in rome?

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05-09-2005 04:23 AM  13 years agoPost 29
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But that's just it, what the veterans are fighting for is the idealized version of our society with all it's inherent freedoms. One guy being able to say something to another guy in his native language is part of that. Now if he was expecting a cashier at a grocery store to be able to speak his language, yea I think that would be stupid. But on a webboard meant for an international community, where the message was not even meant for somebody else, no I don't think a veteran really should be upset about that. But hey, that's me, and another great freedom is we can disagree!

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05-09-2005 04:24 AM  13 years agoPost 30
Sar

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I guess then, fighting for individual freedom would be useless in the first place... Right?

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05-09-2005 04:41 AM  13 years agoPost 31
Luckylandings

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Now if he was expecting a cashier at a grocery store to be able to speak his language, yea I think that would be stupid.
I do see your point. But how many have died for us to let the same people we fought walk right back in without a gun one and start their own communities. They dont need american tellers to speak thier language. They have whole citys. And I understand wanting to keep your heritage also, but make it just like home in the US?
And you dont think it will keep spreading until its everywhere?
Hell you cant order a hamberger in english anymore and expect it to be right as it is!

BTW: My wifes mother speaks french. But I dont see any little Frances springing up everywhere! She worked very hard to learn english and is one of the best patriots I know. (Just an example!)
I don't think a veteran really should be upset about that.
The ones I fly with have a big problem with it! I hear it all the time. Maybe just the older ones. But I understand thier anger..

And your right! Is nice to have the freedom to dissagree.. So why not respect the ones that gave us that freedom by speaking to them in the languauge they can understand when your in their house if you know how? But as you also stated. This aint thier house? Good point I guess. I can admit when im wrong. Not saying I think I am. But I also see your point. This is th WORLD WIDE web I guess.. .

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05-09-2005 09:17 AM  13 years agoPost 32
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BTW: My wifes mother speaks french. But I dont see any little Frances springing up everywhere! She worked very hard to learn english and is one of the best patriots I know.
That's because the US isn't bordered by a french speaking country whose citizens are desparate to move there. It's also alarmingly Orwellian to imply that the measure of a good citizen is how patriotic they are.

And if the premise of this post was to say that its dangerous to send a helicopter to israel, then you really need a reality check!! Seriously, that's an alarmingly insular POV man!!

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05-09-2005 01:19 PM  13 years agoPost 33
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ok guys.. listen
in israel we speek hebrew that you dont understand so when we want to send massage that we dont want you to understand i write it in english letters with hebrew meanings..
well "eize bushot atem osim" means what a shame you are doing here on the runryder.

so come down everybody and you can learn hebrew if you want.

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05-09-2005 02:42 PM  13 years agoPost 34
Luckylandings

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That's because the US isn't bordered by a French speaking country whose citizens are desparate to move there.
Not bordering the USSR.. Not bordering Japan.. Not bordering China..
Not bordering packastan. Not bordering Europe.. And we have plenty of those folks here. And before you trash me! I am not saying that's a bad thing. Just saying your quote is bogus...
It's also alarmingly Orwellian to imply that the measure of a good citizen is how patriotic they are.
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OF ALL ETHNICS HAVE DIED FOR FREEDOM IN THE USA!!!!!!!
SO IT DAMN WELL SHOULD BE IF YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE IMO!
And if the premise of this post was to say that its dangerous to send a helicopter to israel, then you really need a reality check!!
I don't think its dangerous at all! Just amazes me that you can right now! Who knows what gets mailed around these days.
alarmingly insular POV man!!
Hummm, guess I don't speak English either anyway. Cause I don't know what the hell that says.
in israel we speech hebrew that you don't understand so when we want to send massage that we don't want you to understand
PMing works good for that to you know...Why post on a public forum what you don't want people to read?
"eize bushot atem osim" means what a shame you are doing here on the runryder.
Kind of cowardly IMO.. If you got something to say to the guy SAY IT OR DONT! Shouldnt he be able to read your insult and defend himself?

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05-09-2005 04:58 PM  13 years agoPost 35
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Kind of cowardly IMO.. If you got something to say to the guy SAY IT OR DONT! Shouldnt he be able to read your insult and defend himself?
But he did say it, and the guy he said it to (Lior/I3DM) probably understood it. I'm going to make the wild assumption taht being from Israel himself, he probably speaks Hebrew as well. Seriously this happens all the time where ever you go, why should the heli board be any different?

Ed is right, the idea of patriotism being the measure of a good citizen is scary. Look certianly loads of people have died for this country, and in doing so have done the country and us a great service. That doesn't mean to be a good citizen you have to do the same. One could argue that just being upstanding person, paying taxes, and doing your civic duties would make you an excellent citizen. Besides serving in the military is not yet a requirement of our nation. Although that may change in the next decade or so, especially if we're in Iraq for a few more years.

Heh, that would be a good debate, is cumpulsory service for the nation a good idea? (Military or civil duties) Works for some countries, but somehow I don't see it working well for the US. Thoughts?

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05-09-2005 05:19 PM  13 years agoPost 36
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So basically you are pissed about a toy heli which everyone including yourself knows is harmless, but it could have been something else, and you are pissed because someone else spoke something equally harmless to someone else, presumably also because it could have been something else too?

well sir, people have bad days once in a while, and react to things they should not. Once the mistake is made, you can not argue your way out to save face. Best thing to do is appologize and be done with it.

Eize bushot atem osim!

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05-09-2005 05:33 PM  13 years agoPost 37
Billy Zimmerman

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toy heli which everyone including yourself knows is harmless
2 or 3 people have died from helis in the last few years, including children, hardly harmless IMO.

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05-09-2005 05:42 PM  13 years agoPost 38
Sar

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Does it classify as a HMD?

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05-09-2005 06:59 PM  13 years agoPost 39
Luckylandings

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appologize and be done with it.
Will never happen! These colors dont run. I will be done with this post, but you will never get an appology from me for MHO! Your hebrew is coming along nicely! Since this type of thing is apprently ok with americans. Might as well start teaching your kids to. They will need it soon enough just like spanish I guess.

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05-09-2005 07:16 PM  13 years agoPost 40
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These colors never run huh? So now it's anti-American to admit any sort of fault and apologize?

Oh and a guy from Israel speaking Hebrew (one of the official state languages) on a webboard for an international community is obviously encroaching on the American dream so we should all stand proud and fight the good fight. We're not going to let some frickin ally of ours talk in their official langauge on an international webboard,hell no that sacres us too damned much.

Good thing other countries don't get this pissed when we speak Americanized english in their countries huh?

Just jokin around....
2 or 3 people have died from helis in the last few years, including children, hardly harmless IMO.
But by this same standard your own bathroom is much more lethal than a "toy" heli. Although I do agree they're not by any means toys.

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