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05-04-2005 11:59 PM  13 years agoPost 1
QuantumPSI

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I FINALLY PROGRESSED TO FFF. After long patience I finally decided to push the nose down and let her loose. I HAD A BLAST. I was going up and down the field at about 40mph. I still need to practice my right banks because I nearly lost it one time. Was about 20 feet up and ended up being like 6 inches above the ground. I nearly lost it, I was so shaken from it. I ended up "crashing" but that is only because the engine quit on me. I was about 8 feet up coming in to land and it quit. I didn't know whether or not to hit the hold or let it float. I decided to let it float down. Landed in one piece and then it had a boom strike. I'm curious, what could have I done in this situation? I'm not too upset about it though, I had a blast and I have the money to repair it. Not to mention, I have 3 micros I can practice more with!

Had to tell somebody

Mikel

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
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05-05-2005 12:07 AM  13 years agoPost 2
JohnL

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8ft....sounds to me like you may have been able to auto it in. I'm a newb as well (first heli gets here friday). I sold my humming bird as it blows in the wind!

BCHPA Member since: Jun 06' - CP 30% Heli Fuel.....Burn Some!!!

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05-05-2005 01:57 AM  13 years agoPost 3
SkateFreak

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hey!
If it was the Falcon 50 u were on at the time, an auto may have worked
But yeah, i myself am only startin FFF and am also fully aware i really should pay more attention to gettin to grips with spontanious autos hehe!

Thats awsome news, hope she's up soon!

I'm still playin with 30's lol, lookin to get a 50 soon tho!!
But will jst say, watch out for that downdraft!
Once u get caught in yr own downdraft she'll fall like a brick!
(Found out that one playin with fast accents/decents to amusing ends!)

Have fun, play safe and mind out for thoes trees, keep jumpin infront of my heli lol!

-jvr

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05-05-2005 02:03 AM  13 years agoPost 4
orlee008

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fun ait it? you should check your plug, fuel lines & tank lines to make sure nothing is clogged and cause your engine to suddenly quit. Also check for temps as this can shut down and engine too.

Now that you've done some basic FFF i really recomend that you practice your autos first.. start from low - couple of feet, then work your way up. Its more important to learn to auto than to FFF now....

orlee

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05-05-2005 02:14 AM  13 years agoPost 5
QuantumPSI

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Autos are scary man. But yeah, that's what happened and I knew it would. The fuel line in the tank is regular fuel line which is inflexible so that's what caused the shut down. I'm curious tho, how do get caught in your own downdraft? I can't think of any solid way. What is the best way to go about in learning autos?

Mikel

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05-05-2005 02:23 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Ted Toth

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I'm curious, what could have I done in this situation?
how tight are your blades in your grips?
if they are too loose this can cause a hit
sorry that you had a strike
congrats on the FFF


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05-05-2005 05:50 AM  13 years agoPost 7
SPB

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Autos are scary man
You are joking right? Autos are the most enjoyable part of the flight.
Once you start with them you don't want to stop. Many times I am doing an auto to finish the flight and I am keep going till I run out of fuel.

Start learning them and you will remember my words


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05-05-2005 11:57 AM  13 years agoPost 8
SkateFreak

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hehe,
I like autos but am waiting for bigger blade'd heli
As for downdraft...
If i remember correctly (which is usually questionable) if you lose headspeed and or start a decent you will notice that your smoke goes thru your blades and the heli will start to drop directly down very quickly, i think its a combination of loss of lift (stalling) and decending into the "cushion" under then blades and the loss of "traction" on the air circulation above lol.... if that makes any sence
But yes, i'll look for the better explination this evening lol.

-Jvr

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05-05-2005 12:12 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Ringding

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Austria

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Stopping a vertical descent usually requires a lot of pitch input which is not what one wants to do during an auto. Always try to have some horizontal motion, then it's easy. In your case didn't have a choice so if full positive pitch didn't save it, it was just bad luck.

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05-05-2005 01:37 PM  13 years agoPost 10
iskoos

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I didn't know whether or not to hit the hold or let it float.
If your engine quits, you don't need to waste your time thinking whether you should hit the hold switch or not. Once the engine quits, you are in the hold mode already(assuming that you have the same pitch curve in the hold mode, which you should have)

I learned auto rotation long after I started my FFF. And I had wasted couple of tail booms because of that. Everytime my engine quit on me, I would end up beding the boom on me Nexus.
Nexus30 with woodies wasn't a good machine to practice auto. However, it gets lot easier once you start flying big block machines (60, 90) with CF blades. It feels as if the blades would never quit spinning during auto.

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05-05-2005 07:01 PM  13 years agoPost 11
FBaity

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You should have hit the hold switch, pulled the nose up a little to build rotor rpm and pulled pitch just before the machine tuched the ground.

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05-05-2005 09:04 PM  13 years agoPost 12
F1 Carbon

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You should have hit the hold switch, pulled the nose up a little to build rotor rpm and pulled pitch just before the machine tuched the ground.
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Why hit the hold switch if the engine has died?

You should have continued you decent and instead of trying to spot land the heli go for a run on landing where you don't have to pull so much pitch. This would have given you more blade inertia on touch down. Bleed too much speed off the blades and the heli will be very difficult to keep upright on touch down.

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05-05-2005 09:16 PM  13 years agoPost 13
FBaity

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I set up my hold with more + pitch that non-hold. I have always done it that way and works for me. Considering that when my engine quits I go to hold.

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05-05-2005 09:17 PM  13 years agoPost 14
Gary

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Congrats on the FFF, and..............Sorry about the crash. Hitting hold if the motor dies is not something you have to do since you're doing an auto anyway if the motor isn't running. Not sure why, but it's a habit for me. I'm so used to hitting hold in the event something goes wrong it's like an instant reaction.


As far as what can you do to prevent this or at least hopefully prevent it from happening again? Learn to do auto rotations. It's one of the things everybody should know how to do before you fly very long. You're going to wind up doing them either by have to or for fun. The fun ones cost a lot less money and they prepare you for the emergency ones.

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05-05-2005 09:35 PM  13 years agoPost 15
heligoole

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as the heli engine stopped you should have dropped your pitch to around zero then as the heli slowly dropped towards the ground,gradually feed a slight amount of positive in to slow decent,and smoothly land,at 8 ft you have no need to switch to hold(especially on an engine stop)also time is a ticking and all you want is a heli in one piece...practice this on the sim makes you ready next time...congrats on fff

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05-05-2005 09:59 PM  13 years agoPost 16
SkateFreak

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Hi,
I hate to post quiet possibly the most ludecrus post ever... but i live out here where flying's rare lol... and i fly alone really....
Whats a piro flip?
lol!?

Thanks for not laughin to hard
-Jvr

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05-05-2005 10:03 PM  13 years agoPost 17
Ringding

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When you flip the heli between inverted and upright while doing pirouettes.

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05-05-2005 10:46 PM  13 years agoPost 18
FBaity

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I believe you should learn to hit the hold switch out of instinct anytime a forced landing is needed. It takes a micro second if you do it out of instinct and that little bit of extra pitch might come in handy.

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05-05-2005 11:18 PM  13 years agoPost 19
iskoos

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Orlando, FL

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My picth curve is same in all flight modes(-10/+10). So as I stated above, if my engine dies, I am in hold mode already and don't need to hit the hold switch.

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05-07-2005 02:30 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Jyrki

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Loimaa, Finland

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When I was a child we had a sailing boat.

When there was any major manouver or any trouble outside of rutines, my mother came out to the deck and and held tightly from a rope.

just any rope available. She wanted to do something to make her feel more safe!

Sometimes she kept from a totally dangerous ropes (those of sail winches) so we got used to give her a safe 2 meter rope to keep tight. She didn't mind at all if the other end was not connected to anywhere.

Soooo, my point is: If you develope a method to feel better, then by all means just keep doing it!

hold switch should be quite a safe rutine i think.

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