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05-03-2005 11:02 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Rappy da Raptor

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Hi,

Im interested to know why people rave so much about the co-pilots for helis. Do they actually:

- Help
- Stop the Heli From Crashing??
- If you stop put control inputs in what happens??

Thanks

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05-03-2005 11:19 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Drunk Monk

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If you stop put control inputs in what happens??
The heli will right itself, all you need to do is control the collective to hover.


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

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05-03-2005 11:39 AM  13 years agoPost 3
Rappy da Raptor

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Hi Drunk Monk,

What would happen if you lost control in a circuit??

Cheers

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05-03-2005 11:59 AM  13 years agoPost 4
vortechZ230

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Just let go of the stick, and it will right itself, and hover!, But........ you are always fighting the controls.........

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05-03-2005 01:15 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Rappy da Raptor

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I dont need one im just interested to know why people like them so much

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05-03-2005 01:43 PM  13 years agoPost 6
groran

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yes your gain is too high

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05-03-2005 02:37 PM  13 years agoPost 7
JerryLu

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Can you use it for inverted training?

Fit the sensor upside down perhaps?

Jerry

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05-03-2005 03:35 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Saint728

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Can you use it for inverted training?
They make a Co-Pilot that can be used either way. It's made to flip itself over when you stuff up inverted. It's called the FMA FS8 Co-Pilot. You also need to buy the Optional Vertical Sensor, this enables flight stabilization to safely roll the aircraft out of inverted flight. I don't have one, but I've read a bit about it on their web site. Here is a link to check it out. https://www.fmadirect.com/site/wolf/receivers.htm

Take Care,
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05-03-2005 04:20 PM  13 years agoPost 9
dnam

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Here's a nice long thread with arguments for using and not using it.

http://www.runryder.com/t150832p1/

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05-03-2005 04:20 PM  13 years agoPost 10
wakeboarder2342

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when i started flying my raptor 50 a month ago i installed a fs8 co pilot system. I used it for the first gallon for learning circuts ect, as it helped keep the heli level during flight. After the first gallon and i got some confidence up i set it to a switch and havent turned it on in the last 4 or 5 flights. However if for some reason i get disorineted or loose the heli in the sun i can just flip a switch on my tx and it will go into a hover. Its pretty cool how it works, if you are flying forward really fast witht the nose pointed down and let go of the sticks it will right itself and hover in the air! mine always drifted a little but i also only used about 50% gain and never took the time to trim it so it was dead steady.. I know for 100% it saved me from a few crashes already which has more then paid for it. Not to mention its failsafe so if you get interference or loose range it will go into failsafe which will enable the co pilot and go to a hover throttle. Id pay the price for it just for those features!!

as witha nything else, youll hear a dozen differnt people say things about the co pilot, all i can give you is my experiance and it was very positive.

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05-03-2005 04:27 PM  13 years agoPost 11
bobc1

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Actually, FMA's newest software will allow upright or inverted hovering & airplane nose up hovering if programmed correctly. These modes would have to be linked to a switch. I have not personally tried the inverted heli hover or the airplane nose up hovering modes.

I use the FS8CPZ on a Freya & an XSpec. I have not had to use the CP as a bailout for orientation for quite a while but I believe the failsafe feature saved the XSpec from an RF glitch several weeks ago. A crossmember bolt had broken & the crossmember/CF frame junction caused major interference & a failsafe condition.

The FS8CPZ momentarily went into FS, two times, leveling the heli until control was re-established & the heli was landed. I believe that if it had been a PCM lockout the XSpec would have been in the ground.

I have had good luck with the $70.00 flight recorder accessory, also. It removes any doubt what went wrong or caused a glitch.

Just my humble opinion,
Bob

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05-03-2005 04:29 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Wally_Gator

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At low gain levels the co-pilot works a little like expo.
I use mine for disoriented bailout. It is set on a slider and I can
vary the amount of gain from "Turned off" to full on...
I have bailed out only twice and now I fly with it off nearly 98% of the
time. It's failsafe has saved me some money when the main board in
my TX went south.
Sometimes I will turn it on to play with it. But it will come off soon as I am ready
to let go. Then it goes on another ship to help with another family member.

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05-03-2005 04:31 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Wally_Gator

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Bobc,

When FMA finally comes out with their tach attachment for their recorder I will add that to my system. So far no tach... But I want one...

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05-03-2005 04:36 PM  13 years agoPost 14
dnam

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If for some reason you want to use your own receiver (even for CCPM) you can buy a similar co-pilot system from Europe. I have one just not installed yet. They charge us the same amount in USD ($219 or $269) instead of Euros.

http://www.general-laser.at/

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