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04-03-2005 06:06 AM  13 years agoPost 1
glfloat

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Santa Monica California

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Hi guys. i'm specking out an R50 for myself. I want great overall performace, with little or no need to upgrade anything beyond the initial purchase. I want to do sport flying lots of 3D with some agressive power moves mixed in.

What do you guys think about this R50 setup. Hot or not hot?

--kit--
Raptor 50 v2 SE: $499
Mavrikk 600mm Carbon PRO G4 series: $70.00
OS .50SXH Hyper Head, 60LH Carb. $209.99
Hatori Muffler *Jason Krause edition for OS 50 Hyper*: $124

-- electrics---
3 futaba 9252: 70 x 3= $210
Fut Gy401: 139.99
Futaba GV-1 Governor: 170.00
1 futaba 3050 throttle servo (.16/60)
Hitec PCM reciever: 130
The tailrotor gyro is a HiTec digital that i have that has approx .16/60 speed and good torque. I dont have the model # of that gyro, but I want to use it since i have it.

I am running this on an Hitec eclipse 7 radio. My problem is i want to use a governor and heard that you need an 8 channel radio for that? Basically, will my eclipse 7 allow for a gy401 and the governor.? I dont want get new radio. the 401 takes an extra chan for the gain. Perhapse just throw in a GY240 so it frees up the chan. If so what are the disadvantages of using the Gy240 vs. 401? thanks guys.

Austin

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04-03-2005 09:00 AM  13 years agoPost 2
bazler

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Swindon, UK

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2 things:

You'd be much better off using a 9254 for the tail. If you feel you need to use the Hitec then use it on the pitch (assuming good torque).

The GV1 uses 2 channels (not including the throttle input or servo). I've never had one but I believe you can use only one channel if you want, you just lose some of the functionallity. Use a TJ pro or CSM revlock instead - only 1 channel is needed - and then you're only using 7 channels. And you save a bit of cash!

Baz.

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04-03-2005 09:52 AM  13 years agoPost 3
brian2kgt

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Mt. Pleasant, PA

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Yes you can use both the GV-1 and the gy401 on the Eclipse 7 without any major decrease in functionality. I have been reading about this because I have the Eclipse 7 and I plan to get a governor soon.

What you have to do is use channel 7 for your gyro sensitivity instead of channel 5. Adjust the gyro gain by using the ATV settings on channel 7. The channel 7 gear switch on the radio will let you switch between heading hold and normal.

Then you will need to enable the Stick Switch feature of the GV-1 to automatically turn it on/off since we don't have an extra channel for that. Now plug the RPM lead of the GV-1 into channel 5(which use to be gyro gain). Now you can set the desired headspeed for each flight mode independently by using the gyro gain menu. Below 36% you will see the governor screen go to st1, above 36% and below 74% will be st2, and above 74% will be st3.

The stick switch feature of the GV-1 automatically turns the governor on/off at about 25% throttle. The good thing is that it does not go by the physical position of the throttle stick but by the throttle curve value. This way when you switch into throttle hold, regardless of where the stick is, the governor will turn off, which is what you want.

Now I have not done any of this yet but this is what I plan to do. If you do a search for "eclipse governor" you can find more information.

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04-03-2005 02:05 PM  13 years agoPost 4
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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I'll second the nomination for the 401/9254 the 240, while a HH gyro does not support digital servo mode and as you said isn't switchable in flight.

Why spend all that money then skimp on the gyro/servo, I'd look for somewhere else to save.

Andy
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04-03-2005 02:13 PM  13 years agoPost 5
SPB

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Athens - Greece

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As all the above said if you want to use the R50 for aggresive 3D moves then the 401/9254 (or at least 9253) combo is the way to go.

Another servo in the tail will not take advantage of 100% of 401s abilities.

One more thing. Trash the Mavrick blades and buy the TT600 black and white ones. They are awsome and I think mol the same money.


Sotiris
myhelis.com Flying Team

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04-03-2005 05:50 PM  13 years agoPost 6
helibird

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St. George, UT

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We just had our local funfly and JK was there with a bunch of his friends most of them are using the raptor 50's. There 50's rock!! Not sure what servos there using but just from looking they have the hyper with the hatori pipe (JK's) running 601 gyro with the 9251 servo and SAB blades. Most have upgraded to the metal hub because they are running 2000+ headspeed.

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04-03-2005 05:57 PM  13 years agoPost 7
cforcht

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Chelsea in BFE Iowa

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the mav G4 pros are great blades on the R50 I bounce back and forth between them and the TT carbons. personally i like the G4 pros better. And they auto great.



[b]heli flyer by day, custom making cnc heli parts by night[/b]

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04-03-2005 07:31 PM  13 years agoPost 8
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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I agree, trash the g4 pro's! I'll give you 20 bux for them.


Just kidding, they are great blades.

Andy
AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com

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04-04-2005 12:58 AM  13 years agoPost 9
ZZ3Astro

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Panama City, Fl

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I just got back from the field... just killed my older 50 raptor but that is another story ... Anyway I have two different setups.. the older raptor with a tired TT50, MP2, 600mm TT carbons, 9001's on cyclic and 9252 on collective. The new snot green paddles and a 401. The new raptor has a stock tt muffler, OS50 Hyper, 600 Vblades, 9252's all the way around, TJ pro w/9253 and a 601 gyro. This one has stock paddles drilled to 3 grams heavier than the snot greens.

Between these two helis, the biggest difference apart from cost is the cyclic response. The snot green paddles work so well I keep looking for evidence that NASA was involved in their design. The second biggest difference is the power. The OS 50 hyper is only on its 4th tank but the power difference is thrilling.

I really can't tell a diffference in the cyclic servos so I don't know that I'd bother with anything better than 9001's in the future for cyclics.

Another thing are the VBlades.. I could have bought two sets of TT's for the cost of those things. I can't find any measureable difference in performance between these two blades. The TT's have excellent auto capaibility and are much more visible than the black V's. I won't waste my money next time. After sticking a gallon through these two helis today, I know the most important parts to consider on the R50 are the engine and paddles.

As for the loss today....... carb fell out of my TT50. What followed was a blade stop auto from 60'. It's ugly and lost three servos+receiver. Glad I didn't have 9252's all over it!

steve

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04-04-2005 01:11 AM  13 years agoPost 10
nojohnny101

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10 miles north of Cincy, OHIO

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hey
ZZ3Astro.....i smell an upgrade opportunity!!!!


also...just make sure you have a header tank...you probably didn't mention that cause it's a no brainer right????:P

Thanks
~Will~

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04-04-2005 02:41 PM  13 years agoPost 11
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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The politically correct term is Shrek paddles not snot green.

Andy
AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com

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