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04-01-2005 10:59 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Jesse Lineberger

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I don't get on here allot lately, but I thought that when things like this happen, where ever they may be, we should all know and share.

I was watching the Korean news today when it broadcasted that an RC Helicopter hit and killed a child in a school yard. The machine was a Hirobo Eagle WCII; the guy flying either lost control or had a lockout as the new indicated that he could control the aircraft anymore. The news showed the site of the incident, the aircraft and the parents. This is tragic. It showed the school yard and lots of children were still playing after the child had been rushed to the hospital. There are still those of us out there that neglect to think about how dangerous our sport really is until something like this happens. Please be cognizant of your surroundings, join a club, fly within their bylaws and get some insurance. Naturally, you can't bring back the child but what’s next. Accidents happen but most of them are preventable. Lets be safe guys! Take care.

Jesse

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04-01-2005 11:40 AM  13 years agoPost 2
wolfdad

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Jesse,
That is, indeed, a tremedous tragedy and, my prayers and thoughts go out to the family.

However, your advice and points are well taken and, although this is a tragedy, it is a good reminder that, after the winter, limited flying season for most of us, now is the time to check out all your gear...PRIOR to starting that first engine. A lot of us are recovering from "cabin fever," just waiting for better weather and the time change (for some of us) to get out and start tearing up the skies again. However, I would advise everyone to remember, those skills that were honed to a fine edge from flying all last summer need to have the tarnish from non-flying removed and ALL equipment needs a thorough going over to be sure it is ready for the rigors of another flying season. Believe me, I am not saying that this was the cause or even contributed to the tragedy described above, however, it should serve as a reminder to all of us, that SAFETY HAS TO COME FIRST!

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04-01-2005 02:20 PM  13 years agoPost 3
mike5334

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Something Jesse didn't mention is the sheer chaos that goes on at many Korean flying fields. The few I have flown at will have rudimentary safety rules such as listing your frequency (no freq pins, just a list of who is on what freq) and don't fly over the parked cars. I have yet to see an actual pilot's line or safety line. Hovering in the pits is common, which scares the hell out of me.

Korea does have a AMA like organization, but you do not have to belong to it to fly.

Unfortunatly, the heli pilot in the story flew in a busy school yard ... not the best choice of places to fly. Safety is near to non-exsistant in that environment, and children will cluster to see the awesome flying model helicopter fly. It was an accident waiting to happen.

Don't get me wrong ... there are MANY exceptional Korean heli flyers in a country that routinely sees twice as many heli pilots as fixed wing at the flying field. But pick a place where there is little control of the flying area, and toss in a radio/mechanical malfunction, and something like this happens.


Hey Jesse, where is K16?

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04-01-2005 02:25 PM  13 years agoPost 4
Gary

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I'm still trying to get past the question of, why would someone fly in a school yard? Simple common sense would tell you not to do that.

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04-01-2005 02:44 PM  13 years agoPost 5
wolfdad

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Not only is this a genuine tragedy, it is starting to sound like an incredibly stupid tragedy. No matter the cause, flying in this type of environment in the first place is plain and simple stupidity of the worst kind. No, we don't have to belong to the AMA here either, however to not be a member borders on insanity...and, believe me, I have critisized the AMA enough, however the AMA does foster SAFETY in its policy and the insurance could come in real handy.

Flying heli's or, for that matter, any aircraft inherently has its own set of "unknowns (material failure, lockouts, etc.)" that we all deal with through our own versions of Risk Management. Throwing uncontained children and/or animals (pets) into the equation makes the risk unacceptable and, in this case, that is exactly what this tragedy was....unacceptable.

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04-01-2005 03:44 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Defiant

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Tragic.....
Oh my god...........hearing something like that makes you wanna put the radio down for a few days.........this is indeed a very dangerous hobby, You forget how dangerous until something like this happends. The fun often covers the danger, but I feel its completely the responsibilty of the pilot to be awhere of his or her surroundings........children are drawn to the sight of a heli or airplane, by sheer curiosity.
My prayers to the family.......


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04-01-2005 04:01 PM  13 years agoPost 7
davehour

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Wao! This is all so sad...

I couldn't imagine how would I feel if one of my sons get hurt by a R/C model.

I do keep safety at my best but after reading this, I know it still need improvement everyday.

God help us and the family affected by this sad accident.

David

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04-01-2005 04:46 PM  13 years agoPost 8
BC Don

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It is difficult to understand different cultures and the different notions of "safety" (or perceived lack thereof). In North America (and many other place), flying an RC Heli over a crowd of people would be considered insane yet in other parts of the world it is accepted.

In some parts of the world, having an entire family of 4 to 5 on a single 50cc scooter with no helmets, eye protection or any other protection, buzzing down a main highway between buses and autos is considered normal. Do that in downtown (name your city) and you'd be thown in jail and the kids would go to Child Services.

I've been in other "G8" countries where practises had they been done in the U.S. would have had a team of lawyers fighting to represent people at the "unsafe" conditions yet in those countries it was considered OK and not an issue.

Different cultures - different perspectives.

It is a tragedy whenever someone is injured in this activity of ours and doubley so when that injury is the death of a child. It is a reminder to all of us to practise safe flying "whatever" that means in the context of where you live.

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04-01-2005 06:19 PM  13 years agoPost 9
davehour

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Those points of view are very interesting. Smart guys.

David

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04-01-2005 06:32 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Linley

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Tragic Event
My prayers go out to the family -

found this post in the Safety Topic


An R/C helicopter crashed to the playground stand killing
an 8-year old girl and wounding 2 others at 9:23 am Apr. 1, 2005.
This girl hit by 1.5-meter model helicopter,
was prounced dead right after transported to a local hospital.
The 2 other students had light injuries.

This incident happened during an exhibition flight as an event for "Science Month" performed by a local club flyer who was invited
by the Elementary school.There were about 26 teachers 500
students watching the exhibition on the stand
when the crash happened.

The police are investigating the crash
which is believed to be a mechanical failure of the helicopter.
The flyer was charged for involuntary manslauter.

http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/ne...41&newssetid=16

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04-01-2005 07:51 PM  13 years agoPost 11
I3DM

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This is a huge tragedy.. very sad !!

fly safe guys.. this happend in out country once also (a few months ago).

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04-01-2005 07:55 PM  13 years agoPost 12
jjeaster222000

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Wow that is too sad

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04-01-2005 11:14 PM  13 years agoPost 13
foo

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What a retard to be flying in a schoolyard in use by kids !!!? What was that guy thinking ??

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04-02-2005 12:10 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Tim B

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He was invited there by the school to give a demonstration. The children were on the stands (bleachers) as an assembly. "Something" went horribly wrong. A kid is dead and the guy is facing manslaughter charges. Yikes.

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04-02-2005 01:00 AM  13 years agoPost 15
Helinutnz

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Nature of the beast
Due to the fact that we only have control over our helis when
a: the radio waves are all working without interference
b: the ship has no electronic or mechanical issues
c: our fingers don't screw it up

then a school yard is not the safest place to fly and nor is any environment unless safety is of paramount importance. Anyone is at risk from our machines including ourselves.
There should have been an indemnity form allowing parents to decide wether their kids could attend the display and the risks involved. Then the flyer would be safe from prosecution.

Of course it is a tragedy for the child and parents and the most sincere condolences go out to the victims. It's a shame that the parents were probably not even aware this was going to take place at the school.

People must be made aware that they are there at their own risk. There is no completely safe way to do a demonstration with any sort of model when crowds are involved.

I will be even more careful in the future esp where kids are concerned as they are very hard to control constantly.

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04-02-2005 01:05 AM  13 years agoPost 16
jb_turner

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OK so far this incident is heresay with a link to a Korean Yahoo.

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04-02-2005 01:13 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Jesse Lineberger

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location
Its irrelavent but to be accurate the accident occured in Chinhae (on the southern tip of South Korea west of Pusan). Thanks for your responses.

Jesse

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04-02-2005 01:21 AM  13 years agoPost 18
foo

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I understand that it was a demonstration... I still would not have done it, Helis are dangerous no matter what and have no business around kids. Yea yea, you can compare it to an airshow... well its different, airshows and fullscale aircraft have very strict rules etc, rc helis can, and always do have problems like this, they just dont always hit someone, this time it did...

Stupidity and an accident that did not have to happen. Very unfortunate....

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04-02-2005 01:32 AM  13 years agoPost 19
NZ_Neil

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I too am sorry that its happened but ....

It does not say the "Demonstartion" was conducted in an unsafe conditions. Model Aircraft can go out of control at any time.

If the kids were sitting in a stand 50m from the demonstration which could have been simple circuits most of us would have said that would have been safe flying enviroment.. I would suggest a lot of pilots with a few years experiance have given demos at schools, local shows etc.

We simply dont know eneough information to say it was stupid in this case.

There is every oppotunity for a Pro Pilot (or any of us for that matter) having a serious "lockout" upstairs (no radio) and having our Heli come down at full noise into spectators.

Out of control aircraft generally do not generally take any notice of no flying areas, flightlines or the pit area. We can minimise risk of injury but NEVER eliminate it.

All sports have a risk factor, i am sure if you look into any sport you will find cases of serious injury or death to some.

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04-02-2005 02:35 AM  13 years agoPost 20
Syclic

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Different cultures - different perspectives
I have had the opportunity to travel to many parts of this planet and the above statement really describes what I have seen to often - specially in most parts of Asia with the exception of Japan.

In areas in Thailand, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea and China, fellows take their R/C helicopters and airplanes to busy public parks and proceed to fly them with no real regulations other then those described by Mike5334. It is the scariest thing I have ever witnessed. It seems they value their cars more then fellow humans.

Unfortunately I have also seen people from these same cultures out flying in our own cities the same way. I understand that the locals have tried on numerous occasions to get them to join clubs and abide by the regulations to no avail.

I was once in a Canadian city and visited a hobby shop there. The asian shop owner gave me directions to a site he said his clients flew at. I was amazed when I got there as it was a public park !!! While watching a number of flyers trying 3D while "on the edge" I witnessed a number of crashes. The last one I saw involved a chap who lost control of his Rappy 50 and crashed within two feet of a fellow flyer. And I could not believe what followed !! They both thought it was hilariously funny as did their peers. At that point I left.

My condolences to any family who loses a loved one, and specially to the family of a young and innocent bystander.

Just seems such a useless waste.

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