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03-30-2005 07:28 PM  13 years agoPost 1
guillaume83

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Hi all,

I am thinking of switching my Eolo to 6s because:

1/ I have 4 x TP 3s 2100 which I use on their own or in // in 3 different models.

2/ I could sell my TP 3s3p Gen2Lite = I reduce the number of packs I have,and after selling the Twist 37,I'd have a nice budget for a new motor.

Am I right in thinking that I can keep the Jazz 40-6-18 for a 6s set up?

I do NOT like Aveox....and I have seen the Plettenberg Orbit 15/12-14 (Outrunner) advertised on the ICare website as a motor for a 6s set up (with a 22t pinion).

Has anyone heard about them? What do you think looking at the Kv?
Orbit 15-12 has a 1210 Kv
Orbit 15-14 has a 1080 Kv

It looks like a tempting choice but obviously i would not like to be the guinea pig.

What are my other choices beyond the Aveox? Lehner????...

I quite fancy an outrunner actually.

Thank for your input

Guillaume

ps:the Plettenberg website is http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com

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03-30-2005 07:53 PM  13 years agoPost 2
rocheleaud

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Hi Guillaume,

Those pleti are wonderfull motor ( have a 30-12 and a 25-14 on two logo10) ... and this one will work ( hey , i am the one who tested it on my Eolo for Etienne , the owner of Icare ) ... it worked great but after saying that , i must say that it's a big motor ( in diameter ) for this helicopter and a big pinion . I did had difficulties fitting it on the Eolo ... it's not a bolt on solution . I also tried the mega 22-03 heli for 6s on the Eolo ( i think but i will have to ckeck the exact number back home ) ... verry nice motor ... you can put a Fan on it and work much cooler than the Aveox ... need to check back home the pinion that i used .

And yes , the jazz will work without external BEC on 6s ( that's what i am using ) ...

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03-30-2005 08:17 PM  13 years agoPost 3
guillaume83

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Hi Rocheleaud and thanks for your response,

fitting the motor is no problem,i don't mind if it is not a bolt on solution.I'd just like something different and outrunners quite tempt me actually.

What difference between the /12 and /14 have you found?

The spreadsheet for both motors are here http://www.icare-rc.com/plettenberg_orbit15.htm

Do you know what the peak amps consumption is?

Did you have any problems finding a 22t pinion with 5mm bore?

Guillaume

ps:I don't know if you remember,we were in touch a while ago about Reflex XTR..got it in the end and have been training on it since

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03-30-2005 08:53 PM  13 years agoPost 4
Laurens

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Look for the Cyclon heli 4000 on http://www.cyclonbrushless.com . It has 4000 rpm/V.

Also you can adapt a torcman, http://www.torcman.de.

Edge rotorblades, Scorpion systems

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03-31-2005 12:15 AM  13 years agoPost 5
askman

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22tooth 5mm pinion is a stock robbe item for eolo. I was planning on running my eolo with C40L9 and 4S. (I have 22/20/2 with 18 pinion on 3S right now) I do have 22/20/3, which would be nice on 6S as well. (may be better for it since I have 4-3S2600 packs). hmm, choices. I could adapt a fan onto my 22/20/3H with 1/8" shaft motor easily enough and go with 14 tooth pinion. I can fit a b50 heat sink onto it fairly easily as well.... (or may be kontronics 600 heatsink) I have b50 heatsink on my 22/20/3. choices choices...

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03-31-2005 01:06 AM  13 years agoPost 6
CustomPC

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The Pleti's look nice on paper. They look quite mild as far as HV setups go.

rocheleaud, i'd guess you tried the Mega 22/20/3H which looks like it would work well on 6S too.

I doing the same exercise. Trying to rationalize my LiPo packs.
I'm going to be testing the Medusa MR-028-056-1900 as soon as my package arrives from the US. The numbers look very good.

guillaume83, have you seen the KC spreadsheet? You can get from the top of the Electric Heli's groups at RCGroups and it is an invaluable tool.

It takes a little while to work out but once you figure it out you'll never do without it again.

The Cyclon 4000 is not a good choice.

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03-31-2005 04:11 PM  13 years agoPost 7
guillaume83

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CustomPc,

I had the Spreadsheet on my PC but never really played with it.

However,I used it this time (thanks for pointing it out to me) and found the Pletti did not look very efficient on it,even though performance seems good (a mild HV set up would be fine with me).

I was also pointed in the direction of the Kontronik Fun 500-19. With a 16t or 15t pinion,it is looking quite good I think...apparently,these motors are very efficient. What do you guys think? I never came across this one for a HV set up.

I am not in a rush so I will also be waiting for reports of people using HV set up with Neu motors.

Guillaume

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03-31-2005 10:35 PM  13 years agoPost 8
CustomPC

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The 500-19 also looks good and is one that i considered.

The numbers are so close to the Medusa i've ordered. I suspect the Kontronic will have more torque as it's a larger motor and it is a more effecient motor. It's 40gm heavier than the common Eolo powerplants.

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04-01-2005 12:53 AM  13 years agoPost 9
jmiceli11

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I would be really interested in finding out how the Kontronik's 500-19 would preform with 6s Li-Poly's. I am not happy with the Aveox and it's High running Temps.

Thanks,

John

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04-01-2005 07:19 AM  13 years agoPost 10
guillaume83

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After I posted this,I wondered if it would be possible to find 14/15/16t pinion for a 5mm shaft. I'd be quite tempted by this motor if yes.

I was pointed this one by the guys at Hoellein in Gerrmany.They haven't tried 6s on it but have flown an Eolo on 5s with this motor and 17t (or 18) pinion.

You say it's 40gr heavier and you're right,but the Lenher 1930-6 is even heavier at 230gr.

Guillaume

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04-01-2005 08:24 AM  13 years agoPost 11
CustomPC

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The Logo 20 Pinion for post 2003 Logo's is the same Modul as the Eolo (0,7) and is for 5mm shafts.

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04-01-2005 12:47 PM  13 years agoPost 12
guillaume83

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I found a UK dealer who stocks Kontronik but they did not have the Fun 500-19 They should have it next week though
The more I look at the numbers the more I want to let myself be tempted....

But they only had Ikarus pinions....anyone knows if they'll fit?

Otherwise,I was thinking I could put my existing pinions on a lathe and machine the hole to 5mm.

Sounds like there will be a Twist 37 and TP 3s3p 6000mAh Gen2Lite for sale soon

Anyone interested in the UK?

Guillaume

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04-01-2005 01:41 PM  13 years agoPost 13
CustomPC

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Read my last post about the Logo 20 Pinions.

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04-01-2005 02:48 PM  13 years agoPost 14
msg73

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You could also try the Lehner 1930/6. It can be setup to use either 3s or 6s. Even on 3s, there's been good reports. No reports on 6s, but it should be a monster!

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04-01-2005 06:44 PM  13 years agoPost 15
guillaume83

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msg73,

I was considering the Lehner too but the high price tag and the lack of local availability sort of put me off it a bit.

CustomPC,

I read your post,but the store I phoned only had Ikarus ones and I wanted to try and order everything from the same place.

I am now pretty sure I am going to go for a Fun 500,but I noticed the -21 seems to be performing VERY closely to the -19.

Could anyone enlighten me on the difference between the 2 on the KC Spreadsheet?

Amps consumption is pretty much the same (Kv is 2100 for the -21)

Any advantage for one over the other in terms of pinion size?

Thank you

Guillaume

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04-03-2005 09:02 AM  13 years agoPost 16
guillaume83

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Fun 500-19 ordered
Guys,

I ordered a Kontronik Fun 500-19 in the end.

CustomPc,
thanks for the tip about the Logo 20 pinion.I found another shop in UK stocking these. The smallest one has 12t up to 18t apparently...that's a good selection of pinions for the motor (5mm shaft).

I long considered the Fun 500-21 which numbers looked good too (same amps draw,slightly lower efficiency but more power...)but decided to go with a tamer set up. I think the -21 would have been a very HOT set up,for me anyway.

I am hoping to have the Eolo flying by next WE.

Guillaume

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04-04-2005 12:03 AM  13 years agoPost 17
CustomPC

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guillaume83,

Just make sure you order the Logo 20 pinions with part numbers 30**

ie, a 10T pinion is part number 3010 and a 11T is 3011 etc.

Pinions are available in sizes from 10T to 18T.


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04-04-2005 01:33 AM  13 years agoPost 18
jmiceli11

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I am very excited about a possible substitute for the Aveox. Please let us know what your testing reveals!

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04-04-2005 04:34 AM  13 years agoPost 19
CustomPC

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My Medusa just arrived.

I'll post some pics and test results in a new thread.

jmiceli11, what is your setup with the Aveox? What model motor, Cells, Pinion etc. Are you using a Heat Sink?

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04-04-2005 10:41 PM  13 years agoPost 20
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Custom PC,

Here's my set-up Aveox 27/39/1.5, CC Phx 45, 14t pinion, 6s li-poly's ( Tanic 2150, TP 2100, TP 1900), and a Kontronik's heatsink. I have a Jazz 40-6-18 but I haven't set it up yet.

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