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03-30-2005 01:57 AM  13 years agoPost 1
manzer74

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Marlboro, NY

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i am on the edge of ordering a bergen EB gasser. i want to use it for aerial video and photos, with the helicam solutions pro60-3x mount i have, give me the no holds barred thought on this heli, my main concern is the vibration from the unmodified g26 that it comes with it. those of you out there that have this combo and or know of it tell me about it. if anybody has any links to video from this setup let me know please.........all i have to do is hit submit on the order and i'm set.....

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03-30-2005 02:40 AM  13 years agoPost 2
iflybyu77

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Fort Wayne, IN

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Three thumbs up..
Um, actually two, but I'll volunteer someone elses thumb.

Good rig - nice and stable, and great with a set of 800mm mains on it running 1200-1300 headspeeds. Mine has been doing well.. I DID send out my engine to hanson for the balancing upgrade.. I've heard it helps, but you ARE running lower rpms too, which doesn't hurt. I am running rich still, and it's not kicking, and the tail indicated no vibes.

Of course, I'll take a turbine Intrepid instead now.. And of course, you'll hear that electrics are quite capable too. We all have a slant, and nothing is wrong with many setups. If you like this one, you won't be disappointed. Or, try something else.. your call!

David

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03-30-2005 03:30 AM  13 years agoPost 3
fitenfyr

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231
Well if you are concerned about vibes (not a big issue with the Bergen and the G26) then just ask Larry to send you the 231 instead.
Still PLENTY of power to lift an AP platform and they are VERY smooth IMO.
We have an un stretched one right now and it is still breaking in (not even 2 gallons through it yet), but is really smooth for a gasser.
We are going to order the stretch kit real soon for this one.

Jason Stiffey
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03-30-2005 03:53 AM  13 years agoPost 4
manzer74

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i have heard many good things about these bergens....
but i also wanted to hear them directly from those that use them as i intend to use it.

iflybyu77 ---- what did it run you for the hanson mod to your engine? should i just get one from them directly? or is it better to have it balanced.

my choices were bergen gasser vs. spectra g, and i am leaning more towards the bergen at this time. seems more practical for AP.

did you guys go with the constant tail upgrade or do you think it is not necessary ??

do you have any photos of the build process?

Thanks
Mike
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03-30-2005 04:22 AM  13 years agoPost 5
iflybyu77

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Manzer..
Check rafael's gallery for build pics.. I have random shots, but none handy.

I bought the kit w/ engine and then sent it to Hanson.. I think I paid $120ish for the work he did. Basically it's a new wrist pin, chamfer of the edges of the piston and I think a few other things. Pretty basic, but nothing I could do myself. I can't speak of the Spectra. I can speak for the Intrepid though - and you'll find your customer service from Bergen to be a good selling point too. I live pretty close, and get my stuff real quick when needed. You can almost always find the answer when you pick up the phone to ask anything too. The build is pretty straight forward, and the bearings on all the moving joints is great. No need for upgrades - other than a driven tail if you like, and maybe the push/pull tail servo setup - but the rest of the stuff is already there. My only squawk is the need for a revision in the manual, as there are a few things that need updated/changed - but you'll almost always either figure it out or find the answers you need quickly either from Bergen or here..

Personally, I'd likely buy the upgrade to driven tail soon - I wish I would have done so before, just haven't got around to it. Haven't shot any autos of any substance that would be unlike my driven machines. This thread can't contain enough discussion about driven/non-driven to convince me one way or the other .. so just go with what you are already familiar with imho.

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03-30-2005 04:29 AM  13 years agoPost 6
fitenfyr

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Driven...
Mike,
Ours is currently non-driven, but when we put the stretch kit on there we intend to put the driven gear on there.
With the added disc size I feel there is a ton of energy in the system to support a driven tail.
I can handle flying either way, but my preference is with a driven tail and here is my reason why.

If you are in a limited area such as an industrial area or downtown I want the ability to point the nose in the immediate direction of my landing zone without loosing much altitude.
With the non driven tail you may not have the altitude to turn the heli and could force yourself to land in a direction that is not condusive to saftey.
Again my preference, but I cringe at the thought of a flameout in the 30-50' area without the tail. IMO it is just not enough height to bring it down in the direction you want without dumping the nose over to get forward speed and weathervane the tail.

With that said though I know of guys that can spot auto a non-driven tail every time.

Jason Stiffey
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03-30-2005 04:34 AM  13 years agoPost 7
manzer74

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Marlboro, NY

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thanks guys i am going to call them in the morning and we'll see what comes in the mail .... i am going to go with the driven tail and will be sending out the motor to hanson to be modified. i hope it does not take too long to get the motor back..... i can't believe i am going to do this but i am sure it will be well worth it....

thanks for your help i am sure i will be back to need help with the build.

Mike

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03-30-2005 04:38 AM  13 years agoPost 8
iflybyu77

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Fort Wayne, IN

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Bruce had mine in one and out the next. Believe me, there is PLENTY of assembly to do that doesn't require the engine being in the fuse.. so send it out right away, or better yet have Bergen ship it to Hanson and then you can assemble the big pieces while waiting on the engine...

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03-30-2005 04:50 AM  13 years agoPost 9
fitenfyr

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Ask Larry
They may have a Hanson G26 in the shop also.

Jason Stiffey
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03-30-2005 06:02 PM  13 years agoPost 10
rafael

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Oaxaca, Mexico

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As iflybyu77 said check my gallery.
You will see some pictures of the Intrepid, is not the EB version but you will see what you will get in the mail.

And one more thing, YOU CAN NOT GO WRONG PURCHASING A BERGEN!!!

Rafael Castañeda
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03-30-2005 06:50 PM  13 years agoPost 11
manzer74

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Marlboro, NY

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thanks guys, i did it this afternoon, bergen eb gasser, fiber glass canopy, constant drive tail, 810 v blade and 105 tail blades, ill have to order the paddles somewhere else, it should ship today and i will have it monday, i am just going to try out the g26 and see how it works and if i need to ship it out to be modified.

do you guys think the 401/9253 will handle this heli, and i am going to get 9252's for the rest of it.

ill be back for more info when it comes,

any tips, hints etc. will be greatly appreciated.

rafael, nice gallery...

Mike

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04-04-2005 08:27 PM  13 years agoPost 12
manzer74

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Marlboro, NY

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new gasser showed up today from bergen, i had it shipped to my office and looking at it all day has been killing me, I had to open it and wow! their packaging is very good, no comlaints there, but the extended boom just makes it in the box but it made it fine, everything seperated accordingly.

tonight the fun begins......

Mike

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04-04-2005 09:58 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Sar

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Saugeties, NY

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Damn I can't wait till tomorrow

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