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07-21-2002 11:20 PM  15 years agoPost 1
J.W.

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New to the industry..... still in training pants .... receiving instruction from a qualified instructor and still crashing my simulator. I am using a Harobo shuttle Z as a trainer and will stay with my instructor until he beats me severly about the head and shoulders and runs me off. I have posed this question to him and He does not know of the helicopter so....its off to the land of knowledge. I have clicked my heals wished with my eyes closed and have thrown the facts unto you!

Horizion 60.... name of the helicopter
all metal
JR Radio T/R
Futaba Gyro
5 Futaba Servo's
60 Size Gold Cup engine
extra batteries, starter, two sets of main blades and many other items

Most of the size 60's I have looked at have all been over $800.00 base and most of them do not include any electronics at that price. this is a complete helicopter ready to fly. much lower than $800.00

unbelievable clean. entire engine is shrouded and there is a metal three blade cooling fan just aft (towards the engine) inside this shround. entire helicopter is clean enough to eat off of. all plastic looks like it came out of the box just as the picture was taken; offer claims little use. aircraft skids are ALL metal. Tail rotor boom has a turn up of 45 Degrees to the blade. not a straight line.

anyone knowing of this helicopter and wanting to venture into the land of information.....please jump now. I would be very grateful.

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07-21-2002 11:53 PM  15 years agoPost 2
Barbary

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isn't buying a 60 now putting the cart before the horse? why not stick with your shuttle till you've outgrown it? by then your interest in a 60 could be focused on an entirely different model and you'd be stuck with one you're not really excited about.

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07-22-2002 12:18 AM  15 years agoPost 3
rcpilotsteve

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BC Canada

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Shuttles a pretty darn good bird. The only thing that will feel comfortable to you now will be the Sceadu.
as for advice:
"never fry bacon naked" (ouch )

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07-22-2002 12:21 AM  15 years agoPost 4
kingtweeter

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That is Funny
Ok the first heli I bought is a 60,I still have it I fly a 30 to learn on.My 60 is starting to call me.The Horizion is a well made bird,when you get good at flying you will have a blast with it.Everybody told me buy a 30 so I did but I still have my 60 for later.Parts are still all over for that chopper too.

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07-22-2002 12:29 AM  15 years agoPost 5
Optech

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Excuse me but the Horizon is a totally ancient bird. Its probably so clean because the owner was afraid to fly it. From what I understand they weren't all that even back then. I remember seeing ads for them in the early 80's.... Not to mention you can just about forget parts support.

60's are expensive. There is no getting around it. Some are more affordable than others but they are all more involved and costly than a thirty. I say fly the Shuttle (its what I learned on) until you can afford something current. You may run across a sweet deal for a newer bird in the mean time.

Mike

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07-22-2002 02:03 AM  15 years agoPost 6
heliman41

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JW,
Dont buy an ancient heli you will regret it when it comes to repair time. The TX that comes W this heli is obviously analog with no digital trims etc.........you will regret that too. Start with a digital TX like a Futaba8 or 9 or a JR8 when your ready for the leap. A raptor or your shuttle is your best bet for now, you can replace the entire 30 heli for what many 60 sized crashes cost to repair alone. And you will learn faster on a 30 because the fear factor is much less. Id like to know where you can get parts for this Horizon heli on the web I havent seen any such adds.....

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07-22-2002 02:12 AM  15 years agoPost 7
J.W.

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Thanks for the help.
I can remember when I first started taking Helicopter training way back in the late 50's. The equipment I was flying was just one mark away from beng grounded by the FAA. but, I persisted and got my ticket. within a couple of years, I was in Vietnam flying Hughes 300/500 and managed to get some time in the HU1E as well. I thought I had died and gone to heaven, Helicopter heaven that is. but I never forgot the Bell 42 that I started with. I thought it was an absolute antique. But you know what, I found that old helicopter in every helicopter I have flown since. I went on to fly in Law Enforcement here in California for a very large state agency and retired after 35 years in the profession with 9400+ hours of rotorwing time.
Now, I am sporting training wheels on a Harobo shuttle Z and enjoying every pint of fuel. Struggling just like any other novice. When my instructor turns me lose, I'll still fly the shuttle but it will be inside a Hughes 500 body. I still will have my heart set on a larger more responsive Helicopter that can be turned into a beautiful Scale Chopper in days to come. But honestly, Ihave my eye on the future just like I did when I first stepped into the 42. Looking towards a size 60 or 90 or 150 if it ever gets to that size. It isn't a crime for a shuttle jockie with training wheels to dream of days to come. I will take your advise to heart. I still hope a former Horizion 60 pilot will come forward and tell me his/her story of that old bird. This reminds me of the SR71 antique...........................still the fastest highest thing man ever made. and I bet the pilots of that still remember their J-3 time.
thanks again for your opinions.

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07-22-2002 03:06 AM  15 years agoPost 8
Maxx

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Shreveport Louisana

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I had a Horizon in 1982. For it's time it was a really hot bird...I had the flybarless head; the servos of the day could ALMOST allow acros we do today! Mine had a Proline 7 channel AM radio and an HP 60 Gold Cup (I think). the T/R drive is a special cable like a speedometer cable in an old car...it worked OK back then but was prone to wear. The control system is the (now) standard MCCPM rocker for the cyclic servos and 1 servo to move the rocker (collective). In the late '70's/ early '80's it was State-of-the-art and a Bad Ass Bird...today I would buy it only if you need a conversation piece; it won't fly anywhere as well as a new .60 sized bird (ANY OF THEM) and though some parts are available from a fellow in South Louisiana I think you would waste your money if you thought you would learn to fly with it! Think of it like an old vintage race car...you could run around the track with it and get people to look but if you raced it you would get totally outclassed and if you crashed it you might not be able to get more parts. And as for putting it into a fuse...did you notice how the T/R drive cable runs? Never seen THAT on a real bird...I don't mean to burst your bubble, I just think you might find something newer that will fill the bill and have much better preformance for a lot less $$$. Chris

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07-22-2002 03:27 AM  15 years agoPost 9
alvinrc

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What Maxx said.

I had one also and if you are getting in on the ground floor of learning rc choppers, there is no need to start that far back.

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