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07-21-2002 05:03 PM  16 years agoPost 1
Steve_JR

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I can get a really good deal on the 10x heli version but I want to know how much it can fly planes. The planes I have do not require any advanced programming just basic 5 servo operation. Can the 10x heli do it? -Steve

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07-21-2002 05:54 PM  16 years agoPost 2
CincyQuake

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No problemo!!! You just can't fly helis with the airplane version.. Why someone would buy the airplane version is beyond me.

Until next time.... Keep them rotors outta the dirt....

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07-21-2002 10:49 PM  16 years agoPost 3
Steve Campbell

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To get all the dedicated plank goodies that the heli version doesn't have; and when you're ready to set up a fun-fly plane or something like one, this matters.

Some of us don't breathe strictly helicopters; we enjoy our planks as well.

Steve, a 10X heli radio will handle most things you might want to do with a plank, but figuring out the programming for some of the more exotic mixes, etc., can be daunting. That's one of the reasons I finally switched to a 9Z; although it was not the primary one.

You can fly airplanes quite well with a 10X heli radio, particulary if you stick with basic stick & rudder like you said.

BTW, have you wondered why you're getting such a great deal???

Steve

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07-21-2002 11:10 PM  16 years agoPost 4
Steve_JR

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...Listen now people! Just keep on switching to the 9Z and drive those 10x prices down! The more they switch the better it is for me. I don't like Futaba especially the way they feel so untill they get better gimbals and a comfortable feeling to them I will not buy a Futaba radio. -Steve

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07-21-2002 11:23 PM  16 years agoPost 5
MobileRaptor

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The 10 X should be half the price of a 9Z, it's only half the radio.

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07-22-2002 01:35 AM  16 years agoPost 6
Rotor

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The best thing about Futaba radios is Tower Hobbies!!

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly

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07-22-2002 02:43 AM  16 years agoPost 7
Dyehard

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Steve Campbell, you have quite a bit of flying time on the JR 10s, have you found your new 9Z to be that uncomfortable in comparison, or found the gymbals to be of inferior quality. I still find it strange that someone could think that the radio that beat all the JR radios at the F3A World Championships by seven places has bad gimbals. They (the top seven F3A placers) must be pretty lousy fliers that they can't tell the difference.

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07-22-2002 12:44 PM  16 years agoPost 8
Steve Campbell

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Yeah, I was wondering where that "better gimbals" remark came from, myself. Everything about this radio is absolute top-shelf.

There is a definite difference in the "feel". This is a very subjective matter, and difficult to articulate. But is it "bad"? Of course not. One thing (actually, yet ANOTHER thing) the 9Z has is sticks that can be adjusted so that they lean out- toward the sides of the box- about five degrees. This is great, because a combination of small hands and the way I hold the box have tended to cramp my hands when using fingers and thumb. This was something I just learned to live with on the PCM 10 radios, but now I can do something about it; besides altering the way I hold the box, which I didn't want to do. Yet another example of the 9Z allowing you to do things the way you want to, as opposed to the way some marketing wienie thinks you should do it....

Another pleasant discovery was that the 9Z is balanced; IOW, it hangs level when suspended form the neck strap. The JR is bottom-heavy. What this means is that if you use a neck strap and fly fingers and thumbs, a good portion of your hand strength is used to keep the box level. I fixed this on my 10 SXII by fabricating an extension to the attachment point, like the one that I saw on Jim Robertson's radio many years ago. But it made access to the power switch difficult.

With the 9Z, the radio hangs level comfortably against my belly, and very little effort is necessary to "control" the box, allowing most of the hand's dexterity to go into the fingers, controlling the sticks.

Some folks have laughed at me when I explained this. I've noticed that they are the ones who fly thumbs, with a death-grip on the box...

Anyway, Allen, to answer your question, as issued the 9Z is much more "comfortable", IMO. The above situations would not matter to some people. But "bad" gimbals? Please....

Steve

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07-22-2002 12:58 PM  16 years agoPost 9
Steve_JR

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"Bad" in my view... I don't like the way they feel at all but that is just me. I suppose "bad" was a "bad" word but I don't care what the top 7 or top 700 Futaba pilots think about the radio, I don't care for it's feel. I don't know but it appears that it is just me or something but the JR feels a lot more smooth. I suppose one of the reasons I perfer it over the 9Z is that I have the XP652 at the moment. It has the same gimbals as the 10x so it feels more natural to me. If someone knows a way to stick 10x gimbals on a 9Z WCII I am all open to suggestions -Steve

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07-22-2002 01:50 PM  16 years agoPost 10
fossy

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..........9z beats all the JR radios at the F3A World Championships
Yes, strange.......

And what about the first three places in the F3C World Championships??

Right man, JR 10X

Are planks not that difficult to fly, so that it doesn´t matter which gimbals a tx has???

Fossy

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07-22-2002 08:50 PM  16 years agoPost 11
giaffa

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F3C Worlds
3rd place was Dobashi with the 9ZWCII.

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07-22-2002 08:55 PM  16 years agoPost 12
Rotor

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What radio does Curtis Youngblood use?

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07-22-2002 09:08 PM  16 years agoPost 13
giaffa

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Curtis Radio
A modified 10X with single stick.

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07-22-2002 09:56 PM  16 years agoPost 14
Steve Campbell

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Actually, CY went to a throttle stick on the left. He still uses the knob/stick combo on the right.

But what REAL difference does it make who used what? A big one, I suppose, to those who buy into the idea of "nutswinging". To those of us not concerned with that notion, it's all about features (and price, to many).

Futaba makes good stuff.

JR makes good stuff. I used it for ten years and never had any major complaints. If all I had available to use was a PCM-10 series radio, that would be okay.

But the 9Z is leagues above the 10X, in terms of flexibility/capability. You can argue it six ways from Sunday; it won't change the facts. I've only been using my 9Z for a month or so (IOW, I haven't begun to scratch the surface of what this thing can do), and am already amazed at how much more it will accomplish. You die-hard JR guys can stick with your 10-series radios; you'll be all right. But if you took the time to actually sit down with the two and compare them side by side, I think you might begin to realize the truth. That's what did it for me; I had said for years that the 9Z wasn't "all that".

Trust me; it is.

Steve

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07-23-2002 12:16 AM  16 years agoPost 15
Dyehard

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We may all be heli freaks, but compared to pattern, we are just a drop in the bucket. Pattern is the most contested R/C event in the world, in shear numbers helis don't even come close. It takes a great deal of skill to place high in aircraft pattern (F3A), as much skill as it does to place high in helicopter pattern (F3C), only there are probably several hundred times more pattern flyers than there are heli flyers. You have to be very good and fly against a lot of other flyers to reach the top of F3A, you only have to be very good and fly against a relative few to reach the top of F3C. It may not matter to some that the top aircraft pattern flyers in the world use Futaba, but the fact that they beat all the JR flyers, who are all also very, very good flyers, all doing the same very intricate manuevers, says the the Futaba flyers were in no way held back by their equipment, and that the gymbals in their radios were as smooth and sensitive as those in any radio present for the event. I agree with Steve C, the two radios have a different feel, but if anyone thinks there is a problem with the gymbals on the 9Z, the problem is with them, not the the radio. Much better flyers than anyone on these forums have proven that the 9Zs gymbals, and the rest of the radio, are a match for any other system. As for helis, I would never dream of taking any credit away from Curtis, but he has won only three of the heli World Championships flying his modified JRs, what stock radio has won most of the rest.

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07-23-2002 03:15 AM  16 years agoPost 16
Steve_JR

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...well at least you are not mouthing off at me anymore... You guys are pushing home the 9z so much that I am going to go over to my friends house and use his 9z again... maybe it was all psycological (sp)... -Steve

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07-23-2002 12:55 PM  16 years agoPost 17
Steve Campbell

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Who "mouthed off" to you? Not on this thread.

I replied to your question, saying that a heli 10X will fly planes fine but can be a PITA to program some of the more complicated plank mixing- and that was one reason I switched to the 9Z.

YOU are the one who made the remark about "bad gimbals", etc.; which we know is BS. So we defended that, and you explained that you meant tactile, not quality. Fine.

We're not pushing anything. There is a level of interest in the difference between the two top-of-the-line radios, and Allen and I have some experience with each one (Allen has much more 9Z time than me, though). That experience has shown us that the 9Z is a more capable product. This apparently annoys some people.

But "mouthing off"? I don't think so...

Steve

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07-23-2002 01:05 PM  16 years agoPost 18
Steve_JR

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holy crap I was just trying to say that you guys convinced me that I should try and look at the 9Z... the original question was if the 10x heli could do airplane functions as well... not how bad it was compared to the 9Z. I know all about the 9Z and its cababilities. I can get a 10x for half the price of the 9Z so I will take that... all I wanted to know was if it could do airplane functions. ...oh and I looked back at my post and I don't know why I defended myself on the "bad gimbals" because I never said that. All I said was, "untill they get better gimbals" that is not saying bad just lower than the 10x' in my view. I think it might be better if we just shut this thread down because we are going to start arguing pretty soon here. oh and I have nothing against you there steve I understand what you are saying fully, sorry if I came off wrong. -Steve

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07-23-2002 06:18 PM  16 years agoPost 19
Steve Campbell

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No argument here; and no hard feelings, either.

I hear you re the half price deal; can't fault anybody for that, and like I said, as long as you keep it simple, the 10X heli will be a great plank radio. It's just when you want to do some fancy stuff that you might get a tad peeved. That's what started me looking at the 9Z in the first place...

Steve

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07-23-2002 08:17 PM  16 years agoPost 20
Steve_JR

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hehehehehehe I just realized something. I still have been sitting here wondering why there has been so many people wanting me to get the 9Z. Then I looked back at my orginal post and I forgot to mention one important detail... I am using this primarily for helis. Only once in a great while will I use it for flying planes. I just wanted to make sure that I still could fly my planes. The radio is really meant for helis though. my bad! -Steve

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