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07-21-2002 06:04 PM  16 years agoPost 21
coptereddie

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volcain: IMHO I would go with the Sceadu...

Parts are inexpensive and it is solid as a rock in all aspects (hover stability, good cyclic and tail responses, easy build and built solid -etc). I've had a Raptor and Venture and flown several others types but, after I flew someone's Sceadu I sold my Fury and Venture.

If you are looking for a real bargin with really cheap parts, the Venture is the way to go, but the Sceaudu is the most solid 30/50 sized machine out there!

2 cents...

Good luck!

Team Eddie

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07-21-2002 06:09 PM  16 years agoPost 22
CincyQuake

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There is no BEST 30 sized ship!!

Why you ask????

Because Robbe does not make one!

Until next time.... Keep them rotors outta the dirt....

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07-21-2002 08:54 PM  16 years agoPost 23
elad

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not the sceadu that for sure.

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07-22-2002 05:43 PM  16 years agoPost 24
Darkstar

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I find it interesting that SOME people recommend a model as the best and have only owned that model and/or are just beginners. I guess the best model is the one you own.

Tim.

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07-22-2002 05:51 PM  16 years agoPost 25
voclain

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Darkstar......
......ding, ding, ding,,,,,,,

YOU win the new car!!!!

That was the EXACT reason I started this thread!!! I saw all the posts over at the "POLL -- BEST 50 size" and found it funny that Sceadu was not even listed, yet everyone kept saying "...it's the best"!!!

So I started the BEST 30 thread here and found the same reaction!!

6 months ago if you were to have asked me who makes the best 30 size ship, I would have said NEXUS!!! WHY??? WELL that was all I had flown, so I figured it was wonderful!! The best. AND in my little pea brain, it was the best!!!

A very good friend of mine gave me some advice when I first when into business for myself. HE SAID, "...nothing is good or bad until it's compared"

Think about it!!

I find the same thing true over here in the helicopter world.

Yours,

Kirk Voclain

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07-22-2002 06:02 PM  16 years agoPost 26
Darkstar

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SENECA,

No, the theory still stands since i was referring to those people who only own/have experience with one model. I value a person's opinion much more if he/she is experienced with multiple models and thus can make comparisions.

Even then, a person can be baised and of course the old human trait of individuality comes into play. Everyone has different opinions that are colored by personality, ownership or having some sort of connection with the manufacturer such as reps.

So, my advise is as always, go with the popular model in your area, or if on your own, get whatever floats your boat. I think all of the 30 size models on the market today are good quality.

Tim.

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07-22-2002 06:23 PM  16 years agoPost 27
voclain

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Seneca
That's all great and dandy, and I do value what you have found out based upon you discovery, BUT.....This is the 30 size area, you sould be posting that in the 50 size area.

I know, I know, a 50 is basicly a 30 with a big engine and big blades, but still, a 50 is a 50 and I was asking about 30's.

Kirk Voclain

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07-22-2002 09:33 PM  16 years agoPost 28
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The Century Raven 30, Excellant quality, great mechanics and fly's great, parts are cheap. Check it out. I'am glad I did.

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07-22-2002 09:57 PM  16 years agoPost 29
Darkstar

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Kirk3D,

What else do you fly? What's your experience level?

Tim.

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07-22-2002 10:02 PM  16 years agoPost 30
CRAZYJAS

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Sceadu or Shuttle Plus.

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07-22-2002 10:08 PM  16 years agoPost 31
greenmeanie

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bang for the buck
i would say sceadu .30

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07-22-2002 10:27 PM  16 years agoPost 32
JSaleska

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I've owned a couple Raptor 30s and they are great for what they are.. They take you from beginner to some pretty heavy 3D. WIth that being said the spindles are pretty weak and tend to bend during piro flips and such. Most people upgrade the heck out of the bird because they can not really because they have to. The Raptor Clutch seems to break about as often as you cycle the batteries. NOT GOOD The flutter problem is a problem with the design not so much the setup. No auto hub for aerobatic autos -- unless you find a aftermarket one somewhere made and designed by someone completely different.

The Nexus is a real POS in my opinion. Z-bends on the controls were not meant for a helicopter and they should have stayed on the airplane they were taken off of. The cooling shroud is non existent on a nexus with the engine hanging way down below the bird

The Baron is a great little bird -- I've only helped to set one up and it flys very smooth. The only problem will be parts support in the near future.

Xcell 30 -- never seen one or flown one
JR Venture -- ditto, but only time will tell


The Sceadu is a great little bird and in MY opinion the best 30 or 50 size bird out there. When built properly it WILL NOT FLUTTER as some would have you believe. The Swashplate is very high quality and will last longer then a year of flying without getting sloppy like some of the cheaper others. The Clutch is very robust and will not give you any problems. The bird has excellent standard mixing, but can be easily changed to CCPM if you so desire. I personnally would never change it because I know she flies nice. The belt driven tail does not rob excessive power, but Hirobo sells a nice little torque drive setup if you so desire again. Speaking of Hirobo -- I don't think that customer service gets any better then what MRC (US Importer for Hirobo) gives us.

You can say what you like about people giving a generic (this is what I fly so it must be best) Answers, but proof is in the pudding.

Fly one yourself -- Look at how it is designed -- feel the quality of material used and you will no longer wonder why the people who own, fly, work on, and abuse this machine love it so much.

Just my Opinion -- so don't shoot me.

Jon Sends
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07-23-2002 03:11 AM  16 years agoPost 33
Syclic

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Best 30
Yes, the true judge of "best" is comparisons and understanding what makes a heli tick and heli flyers tock

I have owned and/or flown almost everything out there since 1985 and was a big Hirobo and X-Cell fan until I started "learning" and understanding the advantages and disadvantages of the many different systems used and the strengths and weaknesses of some of their combinations that can be found in the various models.

After burning about 450 gallons of fuel and flying these puppies hard here are my conclusions using this criteria:
a) Must be easily set-up for all styles of flight from super stable training and scale work to all out hot dogging.
b) must not require a lot of maintenance or upgrades to solve "issues" or make it dependable and durable. I do not want to reinvent its systems or spend a lot of time on the bench maintaining components that break or wear easily under heavy loads/use.
c) If it is inexpensive to purchase and repair, then I really like it.

Best overall 30:

TSK MyStar 30, unfortunately no longer being manufactured but it could easily be set up to do everything well and NEVER would anything wear out!!! Even repair costs were not as bad as I initially feared because many parts that would break on the plastic fantastics didn't break on this one. Still fly it reqularly. Everything bearinged, great rotor head (though I could not get it to have as fast a cyclic response as the Hawk head, because of the limited bell/hiller mixing available from the seesaw arrangement), the best belt driven tail rotor I have ever used in a 30 size, quality, quality, quality but it should have been at its price!

And tied with it because of the "value" part of the equation and because in some flight areas I prefered it (3D and backwards & aerobatic autos because of the upgraded CTD and C/F torque tube U/G) is the Century Hawk SE with the shaft drive and constantly driven tail upgrades (added only $90.00 to the cost). For only about $420.00 it does it all and just keeps coming back for more.

This is the heli that turned me from a Century sceptic to a Century lover. Since then I have added their Falcon SEV2 to my evergrowing fleet (16 at lasty count) and found it an even better value. Now most of my high priced alternatives stay taking up space in the storage area of my workshop.

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07-23-2002 03:17 AM  16 years agoPost 34
Safe_Cracker

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Hmmmm
Got an X-cell 30 laying around? LOL......

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07-23-2002 03:18 AM  16 years agoPost 35
voclain

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Syclic....
....so you've flown the Sceadu and the Centruy Hawk SE and you like the Hawk better??

That flys in the face of everyone posting here?????

Could it be you know something that most everyone here does not???

OR is it that all thos Sceadu votes are from people who have only flown Sceadu???

Just wondering???

And while I'm wondering, I was wondering about the Raven CCPM 30 size maching. IT appears to be a Hawk SE but with the CCPM abilities???

Do you know if this is true or not???

Yours,

Kirk Voclain

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07-23-2002 03:21 AM  16 years agoPost 36
voclain

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Seneca........
.....which one did you own????

Kirk

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07-23-2002 05:32 AM  16 years agoPost 37
Syclic

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Answering questions
Kirk:

Yes, I have spent a good deal of time with a Sceado 50 (thank Altech for presenting the North American market with a better version then that of the other markets with the 3rd bearing and the driven tail....but they did take out the blades ) and it is a good heli, but still no match for my Falcon SEV2 with comes stock with the Carbon Fiber torque tube tail rotor shaft drive and which included some of the best flying 600mm fiberglass blades I have ever used. The light weight gives a power to weight ratio that is ballistic and the very light (It only weighs 7 1/2 pounds!!!) disc loading that combined with the $45.00 CTD makes it great for backwards & aerobatic autos.

I was a big Hirobo fan for many years and flew most of their heli's (still have a couple) as they USED To BE the most popular brand here. Our local Hobby Shops really pushed them, but in the past year, they have switched big time from there to the Century units. I have owned and flown (I log all my flying) over 1500 flights on the following 30/50 size Hirobo. The original green canopy flapping head Shuttle, the Shuttle XX, Z, ZXX, RG and one that I own now that has more dollars in upgrades on it then the price of two Hawk SEV2's!!!!) The later has been relagated to a scale fuselage because for all out push flying, my Hawk SEV2 blows it away.

I haven't used wood blades in years except on other peoples helis, I always use composite units. The Sceado 30 ($370.00) and the Hawk SEV2 ($330.00) both come with such blades, both are fully ball raced, both use a hex top start but I much prefer the clutch system on the Hawk SE as it does not require any aligning, here the clutch, clutch bell, and fan all attach to the same shaft - the engines crankshaft. I like the Hawk SE rotor head a lot more as it is a design that is a lot more dynamically stable and uses a 4mm flybar. I like the tail rotor system on the SE a lot better because instead of just having one radial bearing and one thrust bearing in each blade grip, it has two radial and one thrust bearing in each grip, I like the metal swashplate in the SE better then the metal/composite one in the Sceado etc.etc.. And using the $40.00 saved on the price from that of the Sceado 30, I could get the Carbon Fiber shaft drive system for it. Such a system (the best type of tail rotor drive) is not even available for the Sceado! Then the weight question. The Sceado 30 is about the same weight as my 50 size Falcon SE! So the lighter Hawk SE has a significant advantage here.

The Raven 30 is a CCPM version cross between the Hawk IV and the SE. It comes with the woody blades from the Hawk IV and not the fiberclass composite ones that come with the SE. The Raven 30 does come with the SE rotor head and aluminum lower mainframes, and it does have a rear mounted tail rotor servo which I like, but it does not have the bearings the SE has in the washout arms and the seesaw arms. here it uses bushings.

Seneca:

Calling an older, less expensive version of a Hawk a POS, instead of comparing a current, similarly priced Hawk SE is very unfair and can be very misleading. That would be like me calling the Hirobo Shuttle Z-TS a POS compared to the Hawk SE.

As the entry level Shuttle ZTS is in the same price range as the Hawk IV then that would be the two I would compare, and I have extensive experience with both. And the Hawk IV also takes that one with even a larger margin!!! e.g. The Hawk IV has a 10mm mainshaft instead of 8mm. It has a far more dynamically stable and sturdy rotor head. It has a far better washout hub. It has a far better power train system. I would take the wire-in-tube drive system over the Shuttle belt drive system any day. The one piece CNC machined muffler that comes with the Hawk IV would be considered an upgrade for the ZTS. The metal/composite swashplate on the Hawk IV is like that on the Sceado....a much better unit then that of the ZTS. To upgrade a ZTS to a full bearing control system is very expensive, yet only $22.00 on the Hawk IV. And the list goes on and on. In Fact I would take a Hawk IV with the $22.00 bearing upgrade (total cost of $242.00) over a Shuttle ZXX ($370.00) any day.

You said they (Hawks) are "all about the same" that would be like me saying that Shuttles are all about the same. And we both know that the Shuttle Challenge or Shuttle Z of a year or so ago is a far cry from a Shuttle ZXX.

P.S. When comparing 2002 Century offerings to 2002 Hirobo offerings I have a lot of experience in both, as I used to be "Mr. Hirobo" in these parts until getting a Hawk SE.

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07-23-2002 06:18 AM  16 years agoPost 38
ncostes

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Seneca,

What exactly are the negative design elements on the Hawk IV that caused you to conclude that it is a POS, and how does the Shuttle address these design failings?

Which part of the starting "get up" is gay? The part that disengages it after starting so it doesn't contribute to high freq. vibration, as opposed to other designs that keep the start shaft spinning at engine RPMs so it can add high freq. vibration?

And do try to remember which Hawk it was, as "they're all about the same" indicates you are not really familiar with the line.

Or would you also compare a shuttle plus for the non-US market with a sceado from Altech?

Thanks
Nick

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07-23-2002 09:53 AM  16 years agoPost 39
Augusto

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I own both the Sceadu 50 and the Raptor 50.

Flyingwise I think it's a tossup.

The Raptor has better repair prices and availability of parts though.

I 3D the hell out of both of them and I love them both.

I don't understand this religious-like fixation with a certain kind of helicopter. It looks pretty silly to me.

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Avant Aurora Ultimate

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07-23-2002 01:00 PM  16 years agoPost 40
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Just my 2 cent Caliber 30, smooth and quiet.

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