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07-19-2002 11:01 PM  16 years agoPost 1
rwj

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I was wondering are most people content with just free style flying or do most get into the 3D once their skills improve. Does age have something to do with that. The older we get the more reserved we fly. I am almost 49 and I am no where near good but I really find it relaxing to just tool around the sky.

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07-19-2002 11:12 PM  16 years agoPost 2
sharam

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I am also approaching 49; I seriously started this hobby about 18 months ago and am now beginning to get into 3D. I do the loop and try to keep it inverted for little longer each time. I routinely now use ID1 and ID2 switches. I definitely try to push myself, so much so that last weekend I drove my Nexus into the ground nose first. Totally my fault but I now know what I did wrong and will not repeat that mistake again. Thankfully, the damage was only about $30 plus a set of blades.

I don't find that my age makes me more conservative. I do find that the $$ and the time required for repairs make me think twice about my style of flying - I am super cautious when my Fury Ext is up there; I am tearing up the sky when my Nexus is up there! I would hate to crash the Fury but I don't hesitate to push myself with the Nexus.

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07-19-2002 11:26 PM  16 years agoPost 3
RappyTappy

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I seriously started this hobby about 18 months ago and am now beginning to get into 3D. I do the loop and try to keep it inverted for little longer each time
Thats not 3D, thats aerobatics.

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07-19-2002 11:50 PM  16 years agoPost 4
RappyTappy

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The defintion of 3D is two or more manuevers incorporated into one manuever, i.e rolling circles, pirouetting loops, piro flipis, etc etc.

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07-19-2002 11:53 PM  16 years agoPost 5
JSaleska

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I've always thought of it like this

If an airplane can do it -- it's aerobatics

If it's a heli only maneuver then it's 3D.

Even though the plane guys call "Hovering 3D" I don't think that one counts.

Hovering inverted is a toss up for most, but if you can throw a pirouette into it while inverted -- then we're talkin..

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07-20-2002 12:14 AM  16 years agoPost 6
Kurt64

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I am a month and a half from 38...I am striving for extreme 3D although it seems like it is taking me longer than expected.

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07-20-2002 12:43 AM  16 years agoPost 7
Heli-Driver

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Is there a written definition of 3D which defines a specific criteria regarding 3D in the contest rule books?

I think of 3D Flying to mean flying the model across all three axis at the same time, under control... seems logical enough to me. I'm sure alot of other folks use a much "looser" definition.

Flips and inverted hovering are cool but I really don't consider them to be 3D maneuvors unless you're mixing them with a rolling flip or pirouetting while flipping. I know a few people that consider a stationary flip "3D Flying".



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07-20-2002 01:03 AM  16 years agoPost 8
sharam

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RappyTappy
A little too quick on the draw here! - "getting into 3D.."

Kindly point to the thesaurus, dictionary, bible, or any other "holy heli" material that you used to extract the definition of 3D so that we may all use it correctly from here on.

I suspect 3D is a pretty loosely used term. I also suspect it's meant to define a 3 dimensional maneuver that does not follow the expected flight path of a projectile, such as a sudden vertical drop of an aircraft which was apriori moving in a horizontal path.

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07-20-2002 01:27 AM  16 years agoPost 9
Sam

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What ever it's called it takes us old guys, I'm 58, a heck of a lot longer to pick it up and do a good job than the young guys and gals. I've stuffed my rappy numberous times. I used to be relatively fast at picking things up when I was younger but ... No big deal. We old farts just have to work harder at it.

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07-20-2002 04:36 AM  16 years agoPost 10
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ColeopTer wrote up a perfect definition of 3-D. If I had the patience to use this site's search engine (which I don't, especially since 3-D is too short for it, apparently, my word what an awful limitation ), though I'm sure someone else can find it.

I don't remember it specifically but no one on this thread has nailed it yet. I believe he was saying something about how it involves coordination of at least three stick movements.

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07-20-2002 06:05 AM  16 years agoPost 11
Malorie

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My Definition of 3D
Mike McConville defines 3D as any maneuver performed by a radio control aircraft that a full scale is not capable of doing ie... hovering inverted.

I think that there is no standard definition of 3D. Some guys seam to want to make it some sort of thing that puts their flying in a higher catagory then those around them.

I personally don't really care what the definition is. I just enjoy flying my heli through various maneuvers. If some one sees those maneuvers and calls it 3D then so be it.

As Sharam mentioned, just keep pushing yourself to strive for more versatility in your flying.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.

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07-20-2002 08:51 AM  16 years agoPost 12
Shagga

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3D maneuvers explained
3D flying is when it includes any of the following maneuvers:

Click on the 'HOW TO WIN BUTTON'

http://www.3dmasters.org.uk/index.htm

I got this from the 3D masters web site. It is the best guide I have seen on how to do 3D. It also comes from a series of articles from Model Helicopter World by Russ Deakin. The actual articles from the magazine are available in PDF format!

I'm going to this years event today. Looking forward to seeing Curtis Youngblood for the first time.

I guess that 'proper 3D' is when you combine more than one of these maneuvers together. I'll let other people argue that one out.....

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07-20-2002 06:37 PM  16 years agoPost 13
linus

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I like to fly scale. I hope to be able to afford a nice scale body for my choppers, but until I do, I fly like they are the real thing.

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07-21-2002 05:15 PM  15 years agoPost 14
kthane

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Inverted hovering is 3D, while upside down hovering is not. Anyone trying to hover inverted is getting rid of the idea that there is such a thing as right side up :-) To me 3D is more about one's perception of the helicopters flight envelope than skill. To the original post I would say: Yes, some people are content to just putts around the sky. As long as you are enjoying yourself, it's all that matters.

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07-21-2002 09:37 PM  15 years agoPost 15
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I see a lot of convoluted definitions of what '3D' means. I also think it is pretty generic but some get a little anal about it. I think it is simply the ability to control the aircraft in any orientation. Once you can then you are a '3D pilot' those that can't may be aspiring to be, are sports pilots, or really don't give a rats ass what you call their flying style. Everyone needs a title just go fly.

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07-22-2002 04:19 AM  15 years agoPost 16
Joss Stick

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I'm 49 and have been flying helis for about a year. I've got three scale ships because the 3D or aeerobatics or whatever you want to call it just doesn't appeal to me. I like the circles and figure 8's and so on. I mostly hover and go up and down the runway about head high and that's good enough for me.

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07-25-2002 06:55 AM  15 years agoPost 17
3DMoen

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3D
I'm 21 and I've been flying helis for almost 3 years. I think that 3D is whatever you make it to be. I enjoy doing FAI style flying equally as much as 3D. I too, enjoy just flying around the patch and doing a few loops and rolls Until I tried the FAI precision hovering manuvers I thought it boring. I have great respect for the accoplished and competitive FAI pilots out there. So mush disapline to sit there and hover an entire gallon of fuel practicing. My hat goes off them.

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07-25-2002 05:22 PM  15 years agoPost 18
BigRob

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3D...4D blah!
Anyways, whats the difference between a plane doing regular aerobatics versus it doing 3D? If you see a plane hovering on it's prop, even doing a torque roll, wouldn't it be considered 3D? Or seeing a plane doing a 45 degree knife edge or mech less a knife edge flat spin, would it still be considered 3D flying for a plane?

Wouldn't the same abilities, to consider it 3D apply to flying heli's?

IMO inverted flight/hovering is not 3D but just regular aerobatics/sport flying that a heli is very capable of doing. When we see somebody flying a plane inverted, do people go whooping a hollering, exclaming that they were doing a 3D manuever, I think not? Loops and rolls, backwards flight are other manuevers that heli's are very capable of doing and would be something considered as regular aerobatics/sport flying.

Doing a manuever that requires more skill and experience such as.. Doing tic-tocs, rolling loops, inverted pirohuetting loops, knife-edge circles, pirohuetting flips, etc...is what I would consider 3D for helis.

Just fly and have fun!


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07-25-2002 05:57 PM  15 years agoPost 19
trevorz

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I will throw another definition into 3D as I think of it.

3D was originally defined for me as a series of maneuvers in a smaller defined 3 dimensional box. So basically the helicopter is doing 'tricks' without huge amount of forward speed.

Items like loops and rolls, which are extensions of forward flight, are aerobatics. Items like flips and tumbles, tick tocks, etc would be 3D. 3D flight I think is more of a flying style then the type of maneuvers.

I would apply the same definition to airplanes. Hovering stuff and blenders are more 3D, the airplane is confined to a smaller area.

Just my 2 cents.

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07-25-2002 07:41 PM  15 years agoPost 20
RappyTappy

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I saw the definition of 3D somewhere on the web a while ago and it explained 3D for helicopters and airplanes. That was the first and only definition I have ever saw, so that is what I call 3D. Mark Kiners defintion of 3D is total orientation no matter where the heli is. He stated that in MHT a while back.

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