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07-19-2002 02:34 AM  16 years agoPost 1
Kam Wyatt

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Have you ever noticed that many modelers who post negative comments against others truthfully do not know what they are talking about?

I have been in the hobby for a long time and have taught many people to fly etc. I have noticed that many beginners! want the satifaction on
learning to fly and attempt to master the art of flying model helicopters, but want everything handed to them just like ordering tupperware.

They can't appreciate the addition of computer radios, heading hold gryo's and how long it has taken to evolve this wonderful to where it is now.

They devistate the hobby because not only are they not patient with
vendors they will not take the time to be patient and preflight the heli and
will be in and out of the hobby in a hurry, that's why most crashes are
truly pilot errror ( in my opinion).

Just seems that people that always complain are the ones who use
this excuse for not getting any better at flying and bring everyone one
down and the greatest hobby on earth down!

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07-19-2002 02:51 AM  16 years agoPost 2
SemiArticulate

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Your probably right except I don't know how not being patient with the vendors is a gauge? For example, I want my stuff fast so I can be back in the air fast. I want it before friday so I am not up untill 1:00am working on it. I also need it ASAP so I can afford the time to do a proper job and make sure all the nuts are tight and loctite is in the right places. Ever had a weekend where you could not fly because the vendor dropped the ball. It sucks.

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07-19-2002 03:08 AM  16 years agoPost 3
Kam Wyatt

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Vendors
The toughest part is if a vendor tells you they have a part in stock and
it is critical to getting you back in the air and that is the part that is
back ordered! when you receive your package!

However,

I guess what I'm trying to say that while flying your helicopter you
have to anticipate what will happen next when you put an imput into
the control system , you also have to anticipate what basic parts you need if you choose this hobby and keep them on hand and not everytime you place an order it's
an 4 alarm fire and if the vendor can't meet your specific need it's their
fault! and they are bad mouthed unjustly!

Best Regards
Kam

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07-19-2002 03:35 AM  16 years agoPost 4
SemiArticulate

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Maybe, but the guy I order from treats it like it is a four alarm fire. I don't want to get him into trouble, but if he doesn't have it then he will direct me to who does. They also know what they have and don't have in real time and they are always there. I have some parts I stock and make and I don't crash very often but when I have a problem, crash, or failure it never fails that it involves a part I don't have. I admit to not being the most patient person but I get more aggravated when a fuel pump fails then if I had hit the ground. I can control the risk I took to hit the ground, I can't control a product failure except with more $$$. I am 45 minutes from the nearest hobby shop and can't really get there before closing on a weekday. They also don't have any heli stuff, so a reliable mail order place is worth its weight in gold. I am certainly not as obsessed with the hobby as some and my only goal in to entertain myself but I got to get my fix. I also think that many of these guys are way too hard on these vendors. Unless I am the one having the problem with them and then I want to go for their throat.

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07-19-2002 03:47 AM  16 years agoPost 5
Kam Wyatt

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Service
That's service! when a vendor does'nt have it but will direct you to who has it. It shows that they care about their customers.

Best Regards

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07-19-2002 04:09 AM  16 years agoPost 6
3DManA1

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Kam, you sound like you are trying to make an excuse for Ace. What a good little rep. We want are parts.

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07-19-2002 04:36 AM  16 years agoPost 7
Kam Wyatt

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3DManA1
If you want parts! place and order! If you can fly helicopters you have
enough sense to find parts!

I'm not making excuses for anyone!

I see that you have a raptor in your fleet. Sell it if you have no confidence or a least blame them for why your flying can't
live up to your screen name!

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07-19-2002 05:06 AM  16 years agoPost 8
Inspector Fuzz

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New kind of Newbie....
Howdy!!
Kam you are right on when suggesting that there are people dabbling in RC (not just helis) who would be much better off collecting tupperware... Back when I was an evil "planker" I was a huge slut when it came to offering assistance.. Over about a 5 year period I got to where I would help almost no one... I was burned out on the ARFer's.. People who bought an already built, assembled, ready to go plane and expected me to spend many hours of valuble time (my SPARE, hardly get enough,time) to teach them to fly just so they could find out "it wasn't for them" and leave the hobby.. They would have discovered "it was'nt for them" if they had to build a kit to begin with.. Once you have (or are capable of ) doing this, you are without a doubt the kind of person who should be doing RC.. I will not help someone if they tell me that they have NOT built their own model.. Heli, airplane, whatever.. Further, anyone truly interested in this hobby will have allready devoured as much info as possible from magazines, the internet, etc.. They should allready have some idea of pitch curves, servo installation etc.. There is much to learn, but much, which, out of courtesy for others, a person can and SHOULD try to get on their own.. I recently spent a lot of time helping someone who had not built their own model and guess what, when I would no longer do the work, they were out of the hobby.. Live and learn...
Before anyone asks me if I was ever helped as a newcomer, yes I was.. When I was 13 I arrived at my first RC flying field with my Sig Kadet.. It was very well built ( I still have pictures!!).. None of the servos were binding, the controls all went the right direction, and the motor was allready broken in on a bench.. Dad helped with the motor, but I did EVERYTHING else.. I will continue to help folks who "build their own".. This shows a commitment, something you don't need for tupperware..
JEFF

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07-19-2002 05:34 AM  16 years agoPost 9
FlyinBrian

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Hi,

Hey now, most of us fly tupperware helis.

Most people I have started out locally (on helis) are more than willing to take the time and learn it slowly, there is an occasonal inpaitent pilot that gets started but they usually slow down after 4 or 5 crash kits!

There is an easy way to tell if a new heli pilot is going to stick with it, tell him to build a kit. Open the box up and show them all the little parts that go into it, if they run away you know they where'nt gonna stick with it anyway

More power to the inpaitent, since they buy a lot of replacement parts our prices are dropping That may sound a little cold hearted but you can only help people that want help, its there choice how they choose to go about this hobby.

Its kinda unfair to judge the hobby buy whats seen on these forums, heck we dont even know if half the b*tcher's and moaners even own a heli.

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07-19-2002 05:50 AM  16 years agoPost 10
Kam Wyatt

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Auger
Hey that's true!

Most birds are Plastic!

Another way to tell if someone is interested is to tell them to buy and
read Ray's complete helicopter guide.

A great book that answers alot of basic questions.

Hey! make sure that the lid is on really good on that TupperHeli!

Hey Auger! Let's start the RunRyder optimist Club!

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07-19-2002 07:46 AM  16 years agoPost 11
3DManA1

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I hope you know a lot about Tupperware, because you suck at flying. No Raptors in my fleet.

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07-19-2002 09:14 AM  16 years agoPost 12
FlyinBrian

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Hi,

<"Hey Auger! Let's start the RunRyder optimist Club!">, we allready have one and its called the Kyosho forum (for the joke impared, that really was meant as a joke)

I try to let potiental new fliers know that this is an awesome hobby, there is a little work required and some challenges to face in the future. If your looking for instant gratification this may not be the rite choice for you, but if you enjoy challenges and learning this will be one of the most enjoyable and rewarding things you have ever done.

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07-19-2002 11:56 AM  16 years agoPost 13
SemiArticulate

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I think I promote the hobby well but then again, most of those who have talked to me never show back up. Am I not supposed to mention the cost or is it just my personality? My gauge is that I tell them they should get a good sim. They ask how much. I say mine cost a little over $200 but has saved me a ton of money. If they roll their eyes they probably are not coming back. If they show up with a new heli and it is a plastic fantasic then good, they did some homework. If they show up with some old wood servo tray champion that they got for $200 with radio and everything at a hobby shop who was selling it for its owner then I don't expect them to stay in it long. Its just that the chances of success are much greater with good reliable modern equipment.

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07-19-2002 12:20 PM  16 years agoPost 14
vetrider

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Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

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Hehehe
It's scarry how close you guys are getting to the mark.

I've helped several fells that have routinely drove the 85 miles to me to have myself or one of my flying buddies help them get past the early stages of RC Heli fever and on to being regular fliers. I get a good feeling to have one of THE guys call me up and let me know how their progressing, or for a little advise. I'm talking about fella's that still work on their heli's on the kitchine table!!!

With the internet explosion there will be all kinds of folks tring the hobby that would have never gave it a second thought. But, they should, as a lot shouldn't!

Nolan

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07-19-2002 01:37 PM  16 years agoPost 15
heliman41

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Man, you guys ARE getting it right on! I feel the same way if a fella shows up W an old analog6ch and a beatup old 2nd hand heli with a mech whatever, and you know he will have a hard time finding parts for it, I wont spend too much quality time cause I know he is really being a tite ass and will quit at the first sign of replacement. Trying to setup old equipment can be challenging, especially after one gets used to todays digital TXs. Im spoiled and admit it. This hobby is CHEAP! An expensive hobby is fishing lets see: nib Bass boat-$30,000, nib Truck to haul the boat-$30.000, trailer, fuel, licensing issues, dock fees, matinance, storage, its endless........there are a thousand other hobbies just as expensive and this is what I tell somebody that says this hobby is expensive I say no its about as cheap as it gets, you can get a GREAT setup for about a grand including a sim, not bad........I tell em if you cant afford to piss away a grand then dont even consider helis period or you wont enjoy the hobby you will be way too concerned about the money to really app. these fine machines, IMO..........

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07-19-2002 02:55 PM  16 years agoPost 16
alvinrc

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My Worst Case
This fellow had been asking me about several different choppers to get for learning.

I told him which ones were OK and one not to get for sure.
It was an Evil Empire chopper with FS engine.
It was hanging at LHS and I had experiance with it before. POC.

I went to field one day not realy feeling like doing anything at all, just out of habit more than anything else.

He shows up with, You guessed it, the very chopper that I had told him not to get.
Asking me to help him learn.
I said no, not today.

He asked again.
I said no not today and no not tomorrow and why did you buy that machine that I said was not worth the fuel in the tank that had been there since the previous owner.

He insisted and asked again.
I am sorry to say that I lost it and threw a little cussing on him.

Someone else did try to help with his chopper and it was still a piece of s**t.
He still would not consider any other chopper because he said that the previous owner had told him that it would be the ideal trainer.

Heck...I had the only air time on the machine and he knew my openion of it.

You can lead a Mule to water, but you can't make him drink.

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07-19-2002 03:15 PM  16 years agoPost 17
Jeff

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Well, Kam...
I'm not sure if I read your post right or not..

I am a beginner who wants to learn how to fly helicopters.

I bought a Raptor, a computer radio and a heading hold gyro.

I set it up by myself...it flies very well if I do say so myself.

I have G2 and flew the heck out of it before I ever put my heli together.

I have crashed 3 times, and have not complained one bit. They were indeed pilot error. I think I am trying to do too much too low.

I have 2 crash kits and a spare heli for back-up right now. After my first crash/crash kit I could see right off I would need some spares.

I will learn to fly it. I don't need any damn thing handed to me on a platter...Tupperware or other.

I get Raptor parts from a semi-local HS (60 miles away). It took them 6 weeks to get the parts from Ace that were left out of my kit, namely the aileron and throttle linkages. But not being one to whine or bitch, I made some up from 4-40 pushrods and DuBro ball links. They have been working fine, I haven't changed them out for the stock units yet.

I find it amusing (and a bit insulting) that you feel that the likes of me are devistating the hobby. I guess it is easy to look down your nose at us worthless underlings who cannot fly as well as you. I really don't care.

So I will go about devistating the hobby in my own little way, spend as much free time as possible looking for spare parts. Oh yeah..and continue to fly my Raptor.

And BTW..Tupperware is way too expensine..I use those cheap plastic throwaway Glad re-sealable ones. Work just as good, and leaves more $$ for heli parts.

Sorry if I took your post wrong, but I really don't feel I am a blight on the hobby. The only other person who has seen me fly saw me on my first flight, and saw me fly Sunday, was very impressed with my progress. So I guess that is good enough for me.

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07-19-2002 03:15 PM  16 years agoPost 18
Justin P.

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I wasn't that bad was I, Alvin? he he

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07-19-2002 03:23 PM  16 years agoPost 19
twguns

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3DmanA1, I imagine that you were refering to Kam with your last post...

I will only say that you are way off base... I don't recall seeing you at the recent XFC event... It was by invation only and Kam did quite a good job there with a box stock machine... You, apparently were at home...

bigTim

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07-19-2002 03:25 PM  16 years agoPost 20
pilotError

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Not always the case
Hi,

I don't think that's always the case. I have seen guys that really wanted to learn, ended up at the LHS only to get some really bad advice from someone who didn't really fly heli's.

I was at a LHS recently looking for some fuel. This place is a heavy duty plank shop and are probably the best around if you had a plane. Out in the parking lot, one of the guys from the shop was helping setup a heli. This thing was a POC. It had that shiny sided tape that you use to seal duct work (like duct tape) wrapped around 1 blade about 6 times - no kidding. It must have had two different blades on it and needed about 3 oz. of tape to get it to balance. This guy was selling him all kinds of crap - POS muffler, old mech gyro, etc.

Stupid as I am, I started to ask questions thinking I could help, and after getting the death stare from the shop guy, I decided to move on. I felt kind of bad for the guy, but he kind of gave me this fu*k off buddy I'm working with an expert attitude. Needless to say, the shop owner never told him about the heli's flying at the local plank field where he could get help. I can only imagine that he wrapped the thing around a tree in his back yard. I guess from his perspective he was getting the proper help and some guy off the street (me) wasn't going to give him bad advice.

I can understand if you directed a person toward something and they did the opposite, but not everybody jumps on the internet and seeks advice. I've been told a number of times that you will get bad advice on the net, not to go there. While sometime true, we know what to try and what to ignore (most of the time). I've also met a few people that had no idea these types of forums existed.

Give it a rest with the tupperware, I've met quite a few pilots who saw one fly while passing by a park or somewhere and decided to give it a try with an ARF. The hobby is certainly better off by having them. What's wrong with giving the ARF guys a hand. If they get ignored and laughed at, it's certainly not going to help the hobby grow - there is somewhat of a social side to this hobby too. As it is, not many can afford to put the time and effort into keeping this hobby going. That's why planes are so attractive. It's a much cheaper, more popular alternative.

I'll jump off my soap box now...

Mike...

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