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07-19-2002 02:22 AM  16 years agoPost 1
ncostes

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I have a Hitec Eclipse 7 radio.

I'd like to use it to train someone on heli and planes. Our club has a conquest (futaba I guess) crappy old trainer box, and I think also a fancier futaba radio for training.

The way dwaynet does it is he copies his model's parms from one futaba to another with the campaq (or whatever they're called) modules.

My question - it seems I remember that my airtronics RD6000 super would always use the master TX trim etc. settings - this sure seems very handy.

Is there any way to force the futaba/hitec systems to do that or do you (barring the use of campac since my hitec doesn't have that) have to set both TX trim, atv, exp, etc. up?

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Nick

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07-19-2002 12:57 PM  16 years agoPost 2
jbrundt

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I don't have the Eclipse manual in front of me but IIRC the Eclipse is the 'Master' and the Futaba is the 'slave' in a training set-up. You would need to program your Eclipse for the heli then set the Futaba up just the same. I have an Eclipse and want to flight train my daughter. I bought a basic 4 channel Futaba but I know that the master parameters will need to be set in the Eclipse.

As for the CAMPAC issue; I think that only applies to the high end Futabas like the 9Z or 9C. I'm not sure if it will work between the 9 series and the Super 8. You may want to contact Tower/Hobby Services (since they control Futaba in the USA now ) and ask them. I also don't think a Futaba Conquest will work for heli training. These were basic 4 channel radios designed for entry level pilots. They'll work for a fixed wing trainer but not helis.

hth

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07-19-2002 02:49 PM  16 years agoPost 3
AMCross

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The 8U, 9C and 9Z all use campacs, but data can only be transferred between models.

The 8U and 9C allow the master to setup so that hte student can use a simple dummy box to fly even complex heli models, etc, by using the trainer "FUNC" mode to use the functions of the master, so the slave is simply a remote set of gimbals.

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07-19-2002 03:02 PM  16 years agoPost 4
ncostes

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Thanks to both for your replies - the 2nd solution (where the slave is just a set of sticks) is the ideal solution for me.
Thanks!
Nick

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07-19-2002 08:16 PM  16 years agoPost 5
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Watch Out
there was an article in RC Report by Kraft Midwest about mixing brands of radios as with Fut and Hitec with buudy box --If the buddy box has a crystal in it both TX 'S will transmit a signal so if you have 30 and 50 both signals will be transmiting at the same time-- It does not matter if the buddy box has a battery or not if it has a crystal it will transmit

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07-22-2002 01:47 PM  15 years agoPost 6
LongbowAV8R

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I just want to make sure that I am in complete understanding here because too often I have had this question and my solution was the long and drawn out, but safe one...

First for AnnMarie...
So it is in fact true that using a Futaba master and running a Hitec or other Futaba as the buddy box will only use the second radio's stick positions and master radio's set-up parameters...right? The radios settings do not need to match correct?

Second for Nick...
I ask this because I have 2 RD6000Super radios and one RD6000 currently...you mentioned that using the RD6000Super as the master uses all settings for the ship from the master radio and only the sticks from the remote radio...I am just curious to the reference and if this indeed works as advertised. I didn't realize that the RD's worked in that manner.

I'd just hate to lose a ship training someone because settings among the two radios didn't match...I would feel like a failed instructor.

Thanks for the input,
Cory

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07-22-2002 01:50 PM  15 years agoPost 7
AMCross

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Cory,
It depends upon what model radio is the master and how it is set up. On the 8U and 9C, the master radio's features CAN be used by setting the channels to FUNCTION mode. Then the student radio must just be on a 'blank' setting (or for a non-cmputer radio, everything must be non-reversed and trims centered).

I can't comment on futaba to hitec together; I have never used them and no one here has ever done extensive testing. I've always been told use the trainer cord to match the master, but have since heard that Hitec says differently. As you're looking at THEIR equipment and THEIR compatibility promises, please ask them and abide by their direction.

THANKS!

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07-22-2002 01:59 PM  15 years agoPost 8
LongbowAV8R

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Thanks
Thanks AM...that I didn't know. I don't use HiTec...it was just in the other posts, so I felt that I should include it. I personally swear by Airtronics and Futaba...and I know that they aren't at all compatible with each other so it makes for no issues at all...lol

I appreciate the new Futaba knowledge though...I'll have to file that away in the memory banks.

Cory

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The models will (and normally do) follow me everywhere....

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07-22-2002 02:03 PM  15 years agoPost 9
LongbowAV8R

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AnnMarie:
BTW: Is that your husband in the PDF file in your gallery??? and is that SNOW on the ground??? and is that him hovering his rappy without gloves outside when there is snow on the ground????

Tell him that he is a braver man than I (I am ashamed to be a Minnesotan...LOL...was all those years in the land of "aloha" it made me soft!)

Never Leave Your Wingman!!!
The models will (and normally do) follow me everywhere....

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07-22-2002 02:04 PM  15 years agoPost 10
AMCross

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hiya bow! sure is mikey, but that's no rappy! :-))) heaven forbid! that's his concept 46VR and yes he's gloveless, but to be honest the snow was melting... :-)

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07-23-2002 03:50 AM  15 years agoPost 11
ncostes

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Well I asked DwayneT on here at the MHA open house this weekend about using futaba boxes for training (with other futaba radios) and he insists he's never been able to get them to work, so he always copies the model parameters from one radio to the other with campac module.

I would tend to believe him since he has trained folks and is quite competent at flying and building/setup.

He said it might be a channel issue - if the slave is a 4 channel and the master is an 8 channel, the slave may only be sending info for throttle and not pitch - could this be an issue when using a "conquest" as a slave?

He didn't know why he never could get his 2 futaba 8u's to behave the way AM says they should - those are the radios he copies models between for training.

Cory: You are correct, page 11 of the RD6000 Super manual backs you up. I had called Airtronics to ask the question before I bought the RD6000 Super because I had a Vanguard 6ch analog heli radio and wanted to know if I could use it as a buddy box or if I had to buy their buddy box. Apparently I got 2 wrong answers....

1. As you point out the manual indicates you have to set both radios up the same.

2. The manual also says it will work with "a Vanguard PPM unit".

I should have checked the manual after I got my radio. Thanks for pointing it out.

I am still confused about the Futaba trainer deal, AMC says the slave is just a set of gimbals...

Nick

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07-23-2002 01:28 PM  15 years agoPost 12
AMCross

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Nick,
Respectfully, I have used this feature easily 100 times, and am 100% sure it works exactly as described. We regularly utilize our 9C with the futaba buddy box to do heli training here at work...

Here's what you need to do...

turn on trainer function
go into the trainer function for each channel and set each channel not to NORM but to FUNC
go into the student radio, select a totally blank model, NO settings at all, no servo reversing, no anything.
Everything will now work from the master transmitter's functions.

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07-23-2002 02:32 PM  15 years agoPost 13
ncostes

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AMC
Thanks for the info, I will forward it to DwayneT maybe that will help him as he has 2 8Us for training purposes.
Thanks
Nick

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