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12-13-2004 12:37 AM  13 years agoPost 1
xv-townboy

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what would it take (besides money )to convert the older version falcon46 to be upgraded to a falcon V2?and would it be even worth it?
thanx in advance for your help.reason i ask is i just picked up a cheap nib kit

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12-13-2004 12:42 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Gearhead

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xv-townboy,,, I am going to ask Mark Ryder to move this post to the Century page for you.

Jim

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12-13-2004 12:50 AM  13 years agoPost 3
xv-townboy

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sorry about that,i havent done a whole lot of posting here

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12-13-2004 03:09 AM  13 years agoPost 4
rotorsport

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Century
xv-townboy look for oldfart he will be able to help you with that he is from your neck of the woods.
oldfart
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I'm in Alberta and I fly a falcon as well as century bell 47 50 size.

http://www.edmheli.ca
check out the user gallery under "rotorsport"

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12-13-2004 03:40 AM  13 years agoPost 5
SteveH

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xv-townboy,

The main difference between the Falcon SE and the SE V2 is the rotor head block and the flybar input yoke. There are other things like the canopy and landing gear, but those are mostly cosmetic. I have done the conversion, it is not too expensive, and IMHO the conversion is worth while because the V2 fly more "crisp" and responsive while also being more stable in the hover.

I suggest you go to the Century site, download the manual on the V2, and comparing that to your manual you will see the parts that are different.

The government cannot give you anything without first taking it from someone else.

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12-13-2004 07:49 AM  13 years agoPost 6
jackheli

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I also made the conversion. Another important change was the carbon torque tube for driving the tail rotor and the upgraded tail blade holders, tail bellcrank and slider, which will give you better tail authority.

The V2 also has double tail supports and an all-metal swashplate.

Everything stated is to get you to the SE2. In order to upgrade from a 46 to a 50 you will probably want to go with a fully driven tail, a 8.67:1 gear ratio and 615mm blades.

Jack

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12-13-2004 08:25 AM  13 years agoPost 7
xv-townboy

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wow! ask and ye shall receive...this is just what i needed to know..looks like i have a new project on my hands thanks for all the great info..

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12-14-2004 12:29 AM  13 years ago •• Post 8 ••
oldfart

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Caution everyone - the question was " what would it take (besides money )to convert the older version falcon46 to be upgraded to a falcon V2? " NOTE: Falcon 46 to Falcon SEV2 - not Falcon SEV1 to SEV2.

I have spent many hours typing on this and other forums answering this same question. I am sure a "search" whould dig some of them out. In a nutshell - it would cost less to buy a new Falcon SEV2 then to upgrade an old Falcon 46.

There is also an article in the Hints and Tips section of our web site on converting the Hawk Sport to the Falcon SEV2. As the OLD Falcon 46 was basically a 46 version of the OLD Hawk 30/II, it would even be easier to convert the Hawk Sport!!!

http://www.leisuretech.ca

Phil Noel
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12-14-2004 05:01 AM  13 years agoPost 9
kamlooper

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Rick, just build it and fly it!

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12-14-2004 06:09 PM  13 years agoPost 10
jackheli

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I would say: upgrade the parts if you crash the old ones.

The V1 will do most 3D stunts, except for backwards flying, maybe.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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12-14-2004 06:34 PM  13 years agoPost 11
oldfart

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Kamlooper,

I agree if this fellow is just a beginner looking to build and fly a good trainer, just build it and fly! But if it is the old Falcon 46 I would suggest he at least upgrades to the swashplate (his will be all plastic with plastic ball joints molded onto it) to one from the Hawk III (this one has a machined metal inner star that takes most of the abuse from the head and a molded outer star. It also uses all metal ball joints throughout). This will make a BIG difference in precision of its operation and take a lot longer to develop any control play of consequence.

Jack,

What I was trying to point out in my previous post was that there is a BIG difference between the OLDER Falcon 46 and the more recent Falcon III, SEV1 and SEV2 that you have.

These older unit was basically the shorter 8mm mainshaft Hawk II and Hawk III's with a different motor mount, a different primary gear to take the gear ratio from 9.78/1 to a more 46/50 friendly 9.1/1, a longer boom and longer woody mainblades (600mm instead of 550's).

They did not have the longer and thicker 10mm mainshaft, the metal main rotor hub, the 6mm feathering spindle with the thrust bearings, the full metal swashplate, the 600mm composite mainblades, the top notch triple bearing tail rotor system with the steel hub, the heavy duty low profile landing gear etc.etc.etc. The cost of all of these seperately would probably total more then the price of the Falcon SEV2 or a Raven 50.

If one looks at it as a trainer with a better power to weight ratio to help get one out of trouble and with a lot better disc loading for better auto performance, then it will do very well indeed. The old Falcon 46 uses 600mm blades and is only marginally heavier then a Hawk Sport. Consequently one will find the OS46 gives it a very attractive power to weight ratio and one will find that it makes an even better trainer for autorotations then even the slightly heavier Falcon SE's.

Phil

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12-14-2004 11:04 PM  13 years agoPost 12
jackheli

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Phil,

I guess I was mixing apples and bananas.

Sorry about that.

It is definitely not worthwhile upgrading.

Jack

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