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12-09-2004 11:06 PM  13 years agoPost 1
awsisme

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Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

I have a 1991 era X-Cell 60. I bought it, built it and hovered it a little and then put it away because I had nobody to help me learn and went to flying planes. It's been sitting ever since. It's never been crashed and it's hardly broken in. It's probably got 4 or 5 hours on it hovering only.

I'd like to get it flying again. I stripped the main gear last flight and I have a replacement for that which I'll install. My question is, what else should I do to get it airworthy. Anything need replacement? Anything need upgrading? I know they went to the uni-ball clutch, what is the benefit of upgrading to that? Should I dissasemble and lube anything?

Again, any help would be appreciated.

Andy

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12-09-2004 11:54 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Brett

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I would check the gear mesh in the tail and the bearings in the head they both need a little grease and a little oil on the swash plate and the bearing in the gear hub. Did you leave old fuel in the engine since you last ran it. Learn how to fly it and see how she does before you think about upgrades. Let us know how it goes. Oh, change the glow plug.

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12-10-2004 12:00 AM  13 years agoPost 3
Jeff H

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Wow thats an old one. I wouldn't bother doing much upgrading, you could easially exceed the cost of a Fury Extreme doing that.

If you upgrade the gyro, (very wise thing to do) get a gy401 and 9254 servo. but if you do that, it would be wise to get a torque tube and especially the HD front pinion support. Part 0832 I think. The pinion support is why so many of the main gears get stripped.

Other than that, anybody that knows there way around an MA heli could recommend at least $2000.00 worth of things that you could upgrade on the heli, but you have to ask yourself: Is it really worth it?


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12-10-2004 12:23 AM  13 years agoPost 4
awsisme

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LOL, yup, an old one. I don't plan on doing any performance related upgrades, I'll buy another heli when I need that. I would be willing to upgrade things that will make the learning/setup easier.

There is a gyro in it but I don't remember what. Is there some significant difference between gyros of that vintage and current ones? Again, not for anything other than hovering and forward flight. You touched on the gear stripping but I'm not sure I understand completey, I'll have to go look at the drawings.

Any recommendations on oil and grease types?

Thanks,

Andy

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12-10-2004 01:18 AM  13 years agoPost 5
Jeff H

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Is there some significant difference between gyros of that vintage and current ones?
Yep, Huge difference. I would get a new one IMHO. You can always use it on another chopper

The gear stripping: if you stripped the top of the gear, that is b/c the gear mesh is not perfect. The pinion support will help with that.

Also, if you stripped the top of the gear, it is doubble sided, you can flip it over.


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12-10-2004 01:34 AM  13 years agoPost 6
awsisme

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Jeff, thanks for the info. Just out of curiosity, what kind of difference will I notice in a new gyro?

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12-10-2004 01:44 AM  13 years agoPost 7
AGRAV8

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hahahaaa
like the tail doesn't drift. No revo mixing now. It stayts where you point it, even flying sideways it holds.....not like the old days (Futaba 154 comes to mind)

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12-10-2004 02:17 AM  13 years agoPost 8
airdodger

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One of the largest differences will be the power consumption, the old gyros used four to five times the current ,I just turned one on I had in a heli from 94 and the bearings were shot,so listen close to it. I would think you will be installing a new bat,and the o rings in the head axle will need replacing.Tri flow oil works great.Lube the tail gear case with new grease min recommends synthetic hydrogen. Chris

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12-10-2004 12:20 PM  13 years agoPost 9
GM1

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A Note of Warning
In an older X-Cell (or any other older model) if it has a wire drive for the tail rotor, some of the new generation heading hold gyros just cannot be used as the wire winds up and loads and unloads so the tail wags violently even when the gyro gain is turned way down. I ran into this with a newer X-Cell ST with a wire drive. I had all the parts for a tube drive system, installed, and the wag disappeared. Owner was thrilled with the model after that.
Gordie

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12-10-2004 12:35 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Obsessive

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Gordie makes a most excellent point, one that I'll add to - if you do have a wire drive - make the change to a torque tube, and get the front transmission hold-down kit (I believe it's MA0832).

Not only will the wire drive wind-up, once it is wound up really well and lets go, it will strip the main gear teeth clean off in flight, and then the model will do wild pirouettes. Ask me how I know.

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12-10-2004 01:37 PM  13 years agoPost 11
shooter

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Lots of parts
Hey man I have all the parts you need and I fly old X cells. I will help you get in in the air and have fun cheap. I have been flying X cells for 17 years. I have a small collection my self. Just give me a call and parts and help will be on the way.(Old Time Helis Rule)
Have a good day.
Shooter:

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12-10-2004 02:38 PM  13 years agoPost 12
awsisme

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Yes, it has the wire driven tailrotor. Great info on it's problems, thanks. I have always wondered why the main gear stripped, now I know why. I thought I didn't get the mesh right but sounds like it's an inherent problem. So, torque tube upgrade, new gyro, oil, grease. That sound like the consolidated list to everyone?

Do I need to disassemble and re-grease all the things that called for grease during assembly, for example the Main Blade Axle Thrust Bearings #0321?? My manual doesn't talk about maintenence at all, any sources for that info online?

Any recommendations on replacement blades?

Thanks again for all the info, I really appreciate it.

Andy

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12-10-2004 06:06 PM  13 years agoPost 13
airdodger

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Why not regrease everything after it has been sitting for that long,if you are going to replace the O rings on the head axle it will be easy. MA also makes a little tool that looks like a T goes under the front pinion bearing bolts that will help align the pinion level to the gear #0507.Check here on RR someone is selling blades all the time,get ones that fit for the boom length you have. Chris

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