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12-08-2004 03:40 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Stretched

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Well, I finally got to order a Raven 50 kit.

When I had the money over the summer, no kits were available, and then as luck would have it, I ran into a financial drought, and wasn't able to order until now.

I used to have a couple of Falcons, but sold them to fund a Pred-gasser. I was wondering what pleasant surprises I will find when it gets here, other than the new stuff that they have outfitted it with per the web site.

I went ahead and ordered a few upgrades last summer, even though the kits were not available.

I already have the constant tail drive unit, metal bell mixers, and metal servo arms. Not to mention the must haves such as a header tank, ect.

All I have left to get are servos, which I hope to find a good deal on some used 9252's in the classifieds in a couple of weeks, when I have the funds again. Or can anyone recommend comparible servos to buy?

I can't wait to get it built as I really miss my Falcon, and I am sure that I will love the Raven. Even though I haven't missed the nitro goo. The Pred has me spoiled.

Scott

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12-08-2004 03:44 AM  13 years agoPost 2
BC Don

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FYI, Constant Tail Drive is now standard on the Raven 50 kit.

Make sure you check the kit out when you get it for all parts and correct parts. I got one of the first ones since they restocked and I've had a few items incorrrect or missing.

I ordered from Helicopter world directly and they have been GREAT to deal with. They've been answering all of my issues and shipping items if they were missed.

Got Money? Send it to me, I'm a Heli Addict.

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12-08-2004 03:59 AM  13 years agoPost 3
lrogers

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Scott,
Man, I'd sure like to see your Raven when you get it and hear what you have to say about it after you have assembled and flown it. The Raven is one that I am considering (along with the Evo 50 and Raptor 50), but haven't really read a lot about it, good or bad.
What ever I get is eventually going to be stuffed in the new 50 size Funkey Bell 222 so I'm not as concerned with radical 3d flight as I am about good stable flight.
Where are you planning on flying at, Battleship Park or Irvington?

Larry Rogers - R/C Helicopter Pilot

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12-08-2004 04:40 AM  13 years agoPost 4
kenchoco

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THE RAVEN IS AWESOME!U NEED TO PUT THE NEW OS 50 HYPER IN IT....CHOCO

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12-08-2004 04:51 AM  13 years agoPost 5
helitroll

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Irogers
I have nothing but great things to say about the Raven. I have also flown the Sceadu and Raptor. The Raven may not be the best to put in a scale due to the servo location on the CCPM. Given the 3 choices, my recommendation is the Sceadu. If you are flying for fun or 3D than I would push you toward the Raven. My only complaints about the kit are: 1) The hurricane blades are a little light for autos, 2) tail rotor pushrod z-bends. Everything else is awesome. It cost me about 10 bucks to put in a carbon fiber push rod with a perfectly straight shot to the tailrotor control arm. I had no binding in the stock pushrod but I prefer a straight shot. It works great. She is rock solid with a 401/9254 even in 25 gusting 30mph winds.

Stretched: 9252s should be great for the bird. I am running 9250s but they are a little quick and drain batteries like crazy. I considered JR8101s and 9202s. You will love the Raven no matter which servo you choose.

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12-08-2004 05:01 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Stretched

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Thanks guys.

I had intended on brand new 9252's, but this being right before Christmas I have to watch the funds. Especially since I have just pulled myself out of a financial rut. And I can't wait to get her up in the air.

Irogers,

I am a member of ACMA(Irvington). So thats where you'll find me. Anyway, they do not allow helicopters at the Battleship club. Or so I have been told.

Have you been to Irvington? If not we'd love to have you. We have a total of about 7 heli guys, but only about 3, including myself, show on a regular basis. And we have lost one to planks. Ever since I have gotten into the heli seen, my planks have been collecting dust!!

Thats a bummer that it comes standard with the tail drive. That was $40 bucks wasted!!

Scott

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12-08-2004 05:01 AM  13 years agoPost 7
Chem Geek

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Hitec 5975HBs are cheap now, .14s @ 91 oz-in, same as the 9252, and they're ~$60/ea brand new. You can get 9252's for like $65 on eBay, but I don't know if they're US market, or grey market.

Or there's the new 6965HB .10s @ 92 oz-in, but they're $85.

Helitroll, is the 9202 a good choice for CCPM? I'm getting a few in a trade, but I figured they were too slow (like .26s), be nice if I could use them.

Let us know how it flies!

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12-08-2004 05:37 AM  13 years agoPost 8
helitroll

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9202s
I flew them on my Scaedu. I know of people flying them on the Fury. I am told that Todd Bennett had them on his school Furies. If they work there, then a Raven is a piece of cake. I had a choice between several servos I had sitting around. I went with the 9250s. They may be too fast but I have gotten used to them. If you have 9202s, I would fly them. They will be really easy to change out later. Just remember to redo all of your directions and curves if you change out servos. I hope you enjoy your Raven as much as I do mine. She is the first bird in the car and I love my Predator with OS-91 as well.

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12-08-2004 05:49 AM  13 years agoPost 9
Stretched

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I have 9202's in my Predator and they do well.

I know a few mild 3D moves and they handle them fine.

I have a close friend who I trust with it, and he has rung it out,(hes really good), and he says he only notices a little difference between it and his fury. So with that in mind, I may very well go with 9202's in the Raven as well.

If anything, I may put the 9252's in the Predator, swap the 9202's to the Raven.

Hmmmm....Decisions, decisions.

Scott

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12-08-2004 08:20 AM  13 years agoPost 10
dnts

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Israel

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I would stay with 9202 on the Pred and put the 9252 on the Raven. You will appreciate the extra speed and accuracy in that bird, since it's going to be the one you bash around. Between HS5975 and 9252 I would take 9252 any day because they are much cheaper to fix (plastic gear set) and you may have to fix them one day...
I think you can get some of your cash back on the constant drive unit - post it for sale (I wish I hadn't bought one a week ago ).
Carbon push rod is also nice and adds a classy look - get one from the predator crash kit and also the two guides. Other than that - carbon 95 tail blades (NHP?) will add authority to the tail.
Let us know how the kit is once you get it together.
Nir

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12-08-2004 02:08 PM  13 years agoPost 11
lrogers

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Thanks for the invite Scott. Is the field back up and running? I heard it was closed due to Ivan. Once I get all my stuff I'll have to come and check things out.

Larry Rogers - R/C Helicopter Pilot

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12-08-2004 04:46 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Chem Geek

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Actually the 5975 is Karbonite, and the gearsets are cheaper than the 9252.

Perhaps all this the 9202 is too slow for CCPM I've heard is benchtop racing type stuff?

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12-08-2004 05:41 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Syclic

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Irogers

I agree with Helitroll re: the servo location on the Raven not being conducive to scale applications. That is where the Falcon SEV2 comes in. It is a Raven 50 with the mechanical mixing system that places the servos up front on a servo tray to better fit in the scale fuselages (fits very well in the Bell 222, you will just have to shorten the boom.

Helitroll

If you like the Raven for 3D over the Sceado, then you would love the Falcon SEV2 over it also for scale. The shaft drive is a lot easier to shorten or lengthen to put in a scale fuselage then is any belt drive system. And the Falcon IMHO has much better main systems (e.g. Clutch system, swashplate, main rotor, tail rotor and tail drive then the Sceado or Evo).

Albert

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12-08-2004 11:51 PM  13 years agoPost 14
helitroll

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Thanks for th input. I just sold my Sceadu so I will probably get a Century heli with mechanics when I go scale. Just got back from flying. I need to pull the radio out of the Sceadu.

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12-18-2004 02:35 PM  13 years agoPost 15
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Well I got the kit and have it built, and all I can say is wow.

The v2 versions are better built than I expected. Much better than the old Falcon I used to have.

I was really impressed with the new head.

The only things I was a little dissapointed about was:

The feathering shaft/blade grips. The Predator comes with shems(sp?) to install to tighten up the blade grips to relieve any slack. The Raven did not. I can fix that myself, but it would be nice to think that they were aware of it.

I, like helitroll, dumped the tail pushrod wire, and made a CF rod instead. And I had a set of 620 CF blades waiting also. The hurricanes will go on the shelf for spares. I had forgotten to order matching tail blades, but the plastic will do for now.

Also, I messed up the canopy by not paying attention to the size of the grommets. I cut at the round impression line, which was unfortunatley the exact size of the grommets that come with it. The grommets don't have anything to hold on to, so I don't have a secure way to attach the canopy. Anyone know of some pretty big grommets with a small hole I can get to fix my problem?

Other than that I give it an A+.

The head system, the constant tail drive, the SS tail drive shaft, the tail blade grip bearings, the clutch bell, and probably the single biggest improvement IMHO, the hex bolts instead of the phillips head screws on the frame. Fantastic!!

Now to just find the time, to coinside with the weather to give a test flight.

Thanks for all the feed back guys, I'll update you when I get a chance to test her out. I am especially excited to try out the throttle jockey gov I bought. I have a GV-1 on the gasser, and I am interested to see how the TJ works.

Merry Christmas,

Scott

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12-18-2004 02:45 PM  13 years agoPost 16
dnts

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Hi Scott,
Glad to hear you like the kit. I went to fly my Raven today (despite weather being too cold). With the blue Raptor dampers and longer swash balls, this heli is awesome. Have a CSM RevLock on order to tame the Hyper 50 and then it should be just where I want it.
What improvements to the head does the kit have? and the clutch and tail bearings? I'm not into the exact details yet...
Does it come with the Predator swash?
As for the canopy - best thing would do is to glue a piece of plastic on each hole and re-drill the holes.. use epoxy..
Nir

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12-18-2004 11:46 PM  13 years agoPost 17
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Yea the clutch bell is metal, and the tail grips have thrust bearings.

The head is metal and the flybar assembly is one peice like on the predator. As well as the metal predator swash.

Good idea on the canopy. I was thinking of using fiberglass, but a little epoxy with some plastic should do nicely.

I went out out to test her, only to find that my glow igniter batt was dead, as well as my field battery.

Don't need those things with the gasser, so they have been neglected. Maybe tomorrow.

One prob with the throttle jockey. Apon preflight I noticed I had the throttle servo reversed. So I fixed that and I tried to re-calibrate the gov but I can't get it to re set. Any suggestions?


Scott

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12-19-2004 09:03 AM  13 years agoPost 18
dnts

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Hi Scott,
I thought I was missing something - all Ravens come with metal head yoke (upper half is still plastic), metal clutch, updated 3 bearing tail blade grips and full flybar arms. Nothing new about that.. just the predator swash is the new addition to the (excellent) package.
Nir

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12-19-2004 07:15 PM  13 years agoPost 19
jackheli

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Stretched,

I did a lot of plastic soldering on my canopies to repair them.
What you have to do is to cut a 1/4 stripe of plastic off the part of the canopy that was replaced by the windshield.
Get a 50W soldering Iron with a flat tip.
Melt around the hole you want to cover with the iron as you feed in the stripe that you want to melt as well. You should get a pasty plastic goop that you can mold to suit.

Before you attempt your first fix practice on the leftover windshield by covering similar sized holes.

If done properly you won't be able to notice that the added plastic was not the original and the joint will be strong as new.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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12-19-2004 10:40 PM  13 years agoPost 20
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Thanks Jack, I will indeed try try that. The only problem is that I threw the excess plastic away. I am going to try the LHS, maybe find a cheap car canopy or the like to use.

DNTS, All that is new to me, as the old Falcons I had was nothing like this. I thought you had the old version also. Yes the swash is the all metal predator swash, and its really nice.


Well, my hands are frost bitten, but I got her flying. Just a few clicks of tail trim and she was perfect. Even the tracking was dead on. A little mixture adjustment and she was idling and hovering like a champ. This is not a brand new 50 engine, so I didn't have the trouble of breaking it in.

I have to get used to a smaller ship, as when the wind picked up, she started bucking. Not as meaty as the gasser, but I like it. I thought after buying the gasser I would never have a glow machine again, but I think this will be fun.

NOTE TO SELF: Dear self, little 50 size glow machines arent as fuel efficient as its bigger gasser counterparts. A tank will NOT last 30 minutes. RUDE AWAKENING!!!


After a few minutes of making sure it wouldnt sling apart, I started tweaking the throttle curves, and checking the gov settings. I was doing full throttle pullouts when about 30 ft into a pullout, the engine died. I was impressed with how well it autos. She set down like a feather and I decided to call it a day.

I am REALLY pleased at how well it went together, and how well it flys.

Thanks to all for your suggestions, and at-a-boys. I can't wait to get a day off and really get to know it better.

Merry Christmas guys.


Scott

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