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12-07-2004 01:04 PM  13 years agoPost 1
absolute0

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Does anyone know if there are any online videos on learning to fly r/c helis?

Cheers

Dave

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12-07-2004 02:32 PM  13 years agoPost 2
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Mike Maas at Rotorworld.com (I think) has a series of ancient "how to" videos that are about as useful as a screen door in a submarine. Take the time you would spend sitting on your kiester watching some other bozo fly and get someone with some experience to go out with you and watch you fly....only way to learn is to burn gas. This is one of those deals that a Gene Simmons or Chuck Norris video ain't gonna' help you with...although watching Jeff Schwartz attempt to fly through that canopy inverted taught me a lesson.....don't ever try to fly through a tent inverted...kinda' like teaching a pig to sing...a waste of your time and it annoys the hell out of the pig.

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12-07-2004 03:57 PM  13 years agoPost 3
absolute0

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wolfdad,

Thanks for your reply, if I had a heli I would get out there and practice. However, I only have realflight G2 & FMS to play with

Within the sim I can't seem to maintain a hover for a period of time. I was wondering if there were some online videos which may explain where I'm going wrong!

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Dave

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12-07-2004 04:17 PM  13 years agoPost 4
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Dave,
Did not mean to come across as brash, however, and unique to heli's, the way to learn is flying. Hovering is an almost endless string of very small moves...almost constantly and practice is the only way to learn. Believe it or not, it will be come second nature. Don't know which one of the G2 heli's you are using, however I would recommend the Impala .30 trainer...complete with training gear (which, btw, you can shed whenever you are ready). This is a fairly docile machine. I would be sure it is well-trimmed out and you do this by picking the machine up, getting out of ground effect, then seeing if you briefly can take your thumbs or fingers off the sticks without an immediate drift or other erratic behavior. Now, I know you told me, you were having problems, however, get that bird in the air and just practice, however you gotta' be able to hover before you can trim it out, so you have a couple of things testing you. Just be patient, take your time and remember crashes cost nothing but a little of your time.

PM me, if you want and give me a more detailed idea of where you are having problems and I will be happy to help you in any way I can.

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12-08-2004 12:49 AM  13 years agoPost 5
shackscs

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I finally started hovering today on my G2. And boy does it feel good.

I have all of my trims set at the defaults, pretty much lined up and even. A few suggestions:

Don't get frustrated. I did, thought I would never get it. The guys at my local hobby shop (HOBBY HUT) said that when it hits me, I will be surpized at how simple it is. And they are right. I feel like a klutz for not getting this sooner.

The sticks are very sensitive, just like in real life. If you find yourself pulling or pushing the sticks all the way to the left, right, up, or down, you are not going to be able to hover. Period. It helped that I was able to see how little movement was needed to get it to hover.

Keep the tail facing towards you, and consistantly do it this way. If you keep trying to hover with the heli in different positions, you are not going to be able to understand the orientation. Trust me, it is very easy to get disoriented with the thing.

When the heli start to go off to Lala land, hit the space bar and start again. I found that trying to fly it around to bring it back to where I was, caused more confusion than anything else, and just added to my frustration.

I used the trainer, without the training wheels. But I will use them when I fly the real thing.

I must have crashed 30-40 times the first day I bought it. Don't try and measure how well you are doing by how long you have been trying. If you have been doing it wrong for 30-50 flights, then you are not making any progress.

And finally, patience, patience and more patience. Did I mention patience?

So, my next step is to get the electronics for my bird installed, join the AMA and my local club and get some more hands on help.

See you in the skies.
Shackscs

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12-08-2004 01:52 AM  13 years agoPost 6
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You guys sound like you could help each other out...or at least (h)over this "bump" in the road and, it's always better going through a tough situation with somebody in the same place you are. Shack, I made the suggestion via PM that you guys might want to take advantage of the G2 capability of recording your flights. Then you could either go back over them yourselves or critique each other or whatever...always a way.

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12-08-2004 12:02 PM  13 years agoPost 7
dragonlord

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your not going roung m8

fms is good for get oriantation nothing much else

g2 is better by far
but reflex rocks

just pratice more you should be able to hold a hover in g2
in some ways the real thing is easyer than the sim

and hight and 3d perseption in bad in 2 dimetions on a sim

what you proberly are doing is over corecting the sticks in the sime as with the real thing

the movements on the stick flying a heli are very small.

when learning you tend to over corect one direction then over corect that move ment too far in the other direction.

Its just pratices that makes perfet

If you fy with thumbs try adding a bit of expo to the radio say 30 on all controls and 20% on the tail

and just keep praticeing m8

your get there

me I coulf prity much fly strait away but had to pratice going easy with the colective and trotel more than anything else

and took me ages to get nose in on sim that was driving me nuts

when on sim for 10 mins one day and bingo I could nose is
once it snaps in your brain Its real easy

I when out and could fly the raptor nose in strit off after that 10 more mins on the sim

trust me it just pratice that make perfect

personaly just plod away with sim untill you can fly nose in as well in sim

i started fly real one was bouncing around on trining gear

stoped flying for a few week and realy used sime alot

then when back out to the field

and in 3 tanks when forn bouncing on training gear to nose in and flying around in fast forward with out and traing gear in 3 tanks.

personaly I found reflex to pis over all sims
iv used fms and g2 but reflex is far the best.

not had a crash till yester day when I parked the heli in a tree
but that want realy a crash the dam stick on the radio come off in me hand
I couldent belive it there I was standing there heli in a tree

and I controll stick still in my pinch grip but detached from the radio.
luck it landed good in tree and no real damage just new fly bar and a cracked carbon main blade.

the fun bit was getting out of the tree

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12-08-2004 12:58 PM  13 years agoPost 8
absolute0

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I think the G2 videos would be a good idea, thanks for this idea wolfdad. I'll record some and upload them on my site later.

shackscs, just out of interest do you use the controller that comes with G2 or do you have your own radio?

Cheers

Dave

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12-08-2004 05:37 PM  13 years agoPost 9
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oh just had a thort m8 if your useing the interlink controler that comes with G2

one it aint great

two my m8 had it but when it came new the ratchet was on the trottel stick.

you any use a ratchet on plains

with a heli you cant fly em right if the trottel is on a ratchet

you have to open the controler or radio and take it off
Im wondering it this is the problem you may be having
if it is on you will have a hell of a job trying to get a stable hover

as where the stick needts to be wont corospond with one of the ratchet clicks.

if you can under stand

I cant give yuou dirct intruction to change ratchet on interlink controler
as I only done it once and cant remmember with out look in the back where it was.

any remember I think it just unscrew it and tun it around if I remember right.

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12-09-2004 08:26 AM  13 years agoPost 10
absolute0

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dragonlord, you'r right the controller that I have for G2 has a ratchet on the throttle. I'll open it up and make some changes, this should certainly make a difference with landings

I have uploaded some video recordings of my attempts to hover in G2. Would someone be kind enough to take a look and tell me where I'm going wrong?

g2 recordings

Cheers

Dave

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12-09-2004 08:50 AM  13 years agoPost 11
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Dave,
The ratchet on the Interlink controller is very easy to remove. When you open the back of the controller, you will see the culprit and you simply remove the retaining screw and remove the ratcheting band.

Good luck on your flying.

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12-09-2004 08:53 PM  13 years agoPost 12
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I would be more than willing to have a look but i only got reflex here m8

m8 has g2 but not on the net at the moment

It may all so be the model in G2as well
if your useing the ones that come with it then If i remember rigt the green 60 size model flew the best

what spec is you pc m8

my m8 one want up to it and it was inposible to fly
as he only had a ceron 400 or so

so I just upgraded his pc for him to a new msi mother board a amd xp cpu
and a cheap fx5200 G card so he could use the sim

my guess is if your pc is ok

it just you over corecting to much.
any you just need to keep praticing m8

Iv got 8 pc here and a realy sily money one i game so can run

Reflex xtr at max on stupid resolutons and on a 42 inch screen

as long as I can stand my mrs taking the piss while i stand with a tray
in the living room in frount of the 42inch TV

as i fly with a tray and I pinch

I cant fly for **** with me thumbs unles I bye a new heli every time i got to the field to fly

do you do any other rc stuff

if you do STICK to what ever you use thumbs or pinch

If you just starting out have a try both ways and see whitch you get on best with

then just stick to that and keep at it on the sim.
If you get frustrated just walk away and try later
I got really pissed trying to get nose in then a week later bingo It clicked and I got it.

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12-09-2004 10:14 PM  13 years agoPost 13
shackscs

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absolute0 I am using the one that came with my sim. My wife is getting me the 7CHP for XMAS.

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12-10-2004 03:27 AM  13 years agoPost 14
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Absolute. I have a how to fly video in my garage somewhere. It also covers some heli setup and other things for beginners. I don't remember what the video is called but it has some fat dude wearing a panama hat in it. If I remember correctly, it wasnt too cheesy of a video. You're welcome to have it if you'll pay the postage. Let me know.

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12-11-2004 01:57 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Helimex

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Wow, I can't even give the damn thing away!

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12-14-2004 08:39 AM  13 years agoPost 16
absolute0

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I've managed to take the ratchet off the controller, very easy to do. It has made the throttle control very light, sometimes too light! It does make a difference, however, when I move the rudder the throttle sometimes changes as well.

Helimex, thanks for your offer. I have manage to source a video off ebay, which I am hoping to learn from.

Cheers

Dave

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12-14-2004 02:22 PM  13 years agoPost 17
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Better Heli's
absolute0:

You might be better off downloading some better flying helis to learn on.

I have been using G2 (no real heli yet) for over a year and the helis that come with it always seemed difficult.

One trip to http://www.rcheliace.com and I donwnloaded all the helis on there.

Since I am planning on getting an EVO as my first heli I use this one almost exclusively. After turning headin hold on all the time I can hover this thing in all orientation till the tank runs dry.

Might be worth the time.

- Mike

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