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12-08-2004 04:52 PM  13 years agoPost 21
iskoos

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Thanks Stephen,

I now see the reason. I couldn't imagie that this simulator would be so realistic that they even thought of tail blades strike. But good for them.

Anyways it is not a problem to keep the stick in the middle.

And I did try to mess with that setting and even lowered it to 0 sec but nothing changed. That's the biggest problem I am having now. Everytime I crash, I almost have time to go visit a restroom before XTR resets itself

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12-08-2004 05:41 PM  13 years agoPost 22
Drunk Monk

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I seem to remember the slow resetting is down to the graphics card having to reset, on faster cards this isn't a problem. The older ones tend to take some time. What graphics card have you got?

Oh yes the VE, I think that's the radeon 7500. It is just a box standard ati card ideal for offices and general plodding round windows. I'm suprised it works at all


Stephen

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12-08-2004 06:36 PM  13 years agoPost 23
iskoos

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Well, looks like I have to buy a new video card. Funny I couldn't even decide to buy XTR yet. I am using my friends XTR to decide if I should get this one or wait for G3 heli version.
Now I see not only $199 for XTR but also another $100 or $200 (for a nice video card) will be required. That makes the total over $300.

Tough decision.

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12-09-2004 12:19 PM  13 years agoPost 24
Hooloovoo

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Don't forget you'll probably still need to by a new video card to run G3 so the cost comparison doesn't work.......

Mine also took ages to reset after a crash, even with the reset time set to zero seconds. I have found that since I installed the update with the indoor scenery it doesn't do this any more. They seem to have fixed that bug at least. Shame there still isn't an option to turn off the out-of-bounds completely, I guess just not crashing any more will have to do.

I was also going to add that the tail blades stopping is due to the instant-crash caused by starting the sim with full-negative collective in govenor mode, and that starting the sim at midstick will cure this, but it's already been covered....... I will add though that I use throttle curves in the TX so that I can actually take the engine to idle, rather than govenor mode. This means that when I start the sim with the stick low I'm not giving full-throttle full-negative.......... that cures the problem too.

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12-09-2004 06:11 PM  13 years agoPost 25
Kenna

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if you have assigned the right channels from tx (throttel/pitch) to the right channels in Reflex, you should be able to have one 0-100% throttelcurve in idle(normal) and forex...100-70+100% in idle 1, if starting sim in idel(normal) it should jump to an idle and idle upp with the stick, then switch to idle1 as in irl.

Then you can activate throttelhold on tx with a value under 0 then you can practise autos to

One tip in Windows XP is to hit ctrl+alt+delete when sim is running then rightclick on the XTR-program and "goto process" then rightclick again and choose priority, this makes the resourses prio the sim, note if choosing the highest (realtime) i think, only the sim seams to work, everything else halts...

Good luck...

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12-09-2004 09:28 PM  13 years agoPost 26
iskoos

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Hooloovoo
Don't worry I am not into G3. If I were to get Great Planes software, I would go get G2. I really didn't see big difference between G2 and G3.

How do you download indoor scenery?

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12-10-2004 11:45 AM  13 years agoPost 27
Hooloovoo

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There's a patch available for download on the Reflex site. This updates the software, and also adds an indoor sports hall scenery.

Do a search on the forum if you cant find it. There were loads of posts about this topic in the last week or two.

Why not G3? I don't see the point in buying G2 now.........

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12-10-2004 08:33 PM  13 years agoPost 28
MPDano

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There really is no comparison when it comes to G2 and the XTR graphics. XTR looks like a REAL flying field, when G2 looks like your flying around a XBox Halo game. This is why you will need a better video card. I have an older generation geforce3 that has 128MB ram built in the card. It works great. These cards really aren't that expensive. I believe you can get one for under $40 now. Its worth it!

Leo Dano

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12-10-2004 09:53 PM  13 years agoPost 29
JKos

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> forex...100-70+100% in idle 1,

Keep in mind that XTR uses a governor so you shouldn't use a curve in the Idle Up modes. I found that on my 9C I needed the throttle "curve" to be a flat line at 90% in order for the headspeed to match what it was set to in the model parameters and to be constant. Think of the throttle "curve" as more of a headspeed setting than a normal curve.

Given that, I would think you might want your normal curve to be something like 0,40,80,80,80 where the 80 will set you normal headspeed a little lower then the headspeed setting in the model parameters.

Until I figured that out I was quite puzzled by why the headspeed would go all over the place.

- John

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12-10-2004 10:55 PM  13 years agoPost 30
Kenna

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Yes you are so right the orginal nitrohelis seems to have gov on/off at approx 30% trottel

The electrics thou seems to follow the trottelcurve, also one downloaded model (601FURY2) acts like that until headspead is up when it workes like gov'ed.

So therefore setting the throttelhold bellow 30% may be enough an most cases

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12-13-2004 11:11 AM  13 years agoPost 31
Hooloovoo

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There really is no comparison when it comes to G2 and the XTR graphics. XTR looks like a REAL flying field, when G2 looks like your flying around a XBox Halo game. This is why you will need a better video card.
This is often discussed incorrectly.

Actually G2/3 requires the greater processing power. It is actually generating a 3D landscape in real time. All XTR is doing is scrolling a large photo around, and so as long as you have enough video memory and a card that can handle high resolution textures that'll be enough.

Whilst I'm the first to agree that XTR has the better looking graphics, G3 is *technically* superior, and more flexible since the pilot position is not fixed.

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12-13-2004 11:15 AM  13 years agoPost 32
Hooloovoo

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I'll also add that on XTR I was getting between 30 and 40 frames per second on my P3 550MHz, with 256Mb RAM and a GeForce2 GTS video card. I got nowhere near that on G2.

XTR does not require the kind of processing power that everyone seems to believe.

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12-13-2004 12:26 PM  13 years agoPost 33
Drunk Monk

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XTR does not require the kind of processing power that everyone seems to believe.
Yes and no, if you have a semi decent graphics card then have P4 3.2GB processor will make up for it. If you have a bottom of the range (celeron or P4 1.6 for example) processor but have a mega graphics card , the graphics card can compensate. I run a P4 2.4 400FSB with a Ti4600 and it runs great. It's quite possible for people running faster systems with lower spec graphics cards to get far lower frame rates.

What operating system are you running on the P3 550?


Stephen

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12-13-2004 12:40 PM  13 years agoPost 34
Hooloovoo

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Win XP Pro.

I now have a P4 3.4GHz with an nVidia 6610 and I'm getting 350+ frames per second with V-sync off. But I always run with v-sync on because I don't like the image tearing. So I get a constant 60 fps which is the refresh rate of my TFT monitor.

And you know what? XTR doesn't look any different than it did on the P3 550........... except it's a tiny fraction sharper since I'm running the highest panarama resolution now instead of the second level.

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