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12-06-2004 03:02 PM  13 years agoPost 61
MJA

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Paul,
I agree with Reckless Loony,the cheapest way forward for you now is definately to buy or borrow a decent P4 CPU.I haven't looked at the spec of your m/board but as long as it supports the full FSB speed of the processor
and the socket type of the P4 processor
you want to try ,then there should be no problem keeping/using it.If the CPU is fast enough it should be able to offset loss of fps due to the onboard sound or being originally an integrated graphics type m/board .


If you want to use a seperate hardware accelerated sound card that's reasonably cheap ,an Audigy2 ZS "value OEM" would be a good one to get or an older PCI 1024 like Reckless suggested.Only concern there with older sound cards would be what the continued driver support for XP would be like.With a co like Creative probably no problem

Overclocking a slower P4 like Reckless Loony has done is the best bang for your buck way to go,rather than paying top price for the later P4 3.2,3.4 etc speeds.


I have done a similiar thing with an older
Athlon XP but i bought the wrong one because i didn't research into it enough.
I bought an XP 2800+ ,but the multiplier is locked which means i can,t get the FSB to 400Mhz with the processor o/clocked to 2.31Ghz,
I should have got an XP2500+ which would have let me get to Athlon XP 3200+ speeds with the FSB at 400Mhz DDR
This is with an N-Force2 m/board which gives "twinbanking" of matched memory modules,similiar idea to boost performance
to Intels 800FSB
setup,dual channel or whatever they call it.

I did not go for Athlon64 yet as i felt by the time it really took off with lots of applications around ,todays cheaper end of the
Athlon 64 cpu's speeds would be old hat by then.


Martin

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12-06-2004 09:58 PM  13 years agoPost 62
Gus

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Another thing to think about:

I have found on my machine, that if the heli .mod file is in the range of 2.5meg, it will run smoothly in a full screen display mode of 1400x1050x16. If the heli .mod file is in the range of 4.5meg, I have to change the full screen dsiplay mode to 1024x768x16 to get the model to fly smoothly. Because of this, I tend to leave it in 1024x768x16 full screen mode for all models.

Basically, the densor the model/Scenery is, the lower screen density must be used. Each computer/graphics card will dictate what screen display density may be used.

If running in window mode, and the FPS is low just making the window smaller, will cause the FPS to raise.

The net of this is, that you must experiment with the window size/ Full screen density to see what will work best for your hardware/software.

Gus...

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12-07-2004 08:34 PM  13 years agoPost 63
PaulH

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Hi Martin......

OK I think I followed most of that.... How can I tell how flexible My MB is
its an Asus P4V533-MX...

The manual states ... Socket 478 P4/Northwood/Willamette CPU's with speed up to a 2.8GHz +

Supports Intel Hyperthreading ( whatever that is)

FSB 533/400MHz

Do I chuck that in the garbage with the Celery.


HI Gus.........

Thanks for the tip I'll try running a smaller window to get the FPS up... think I still have one of those Gamboy Magnifiers I can stick on my screen to see it..... LOL

Regards
Paul

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12-07-2004 11:37 PM  13 years agoPost 64
MJA

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Paul,
I'm not right up on P4 CPU and motherboard stuff
but it appears your model doesn't support P4 processors with a 800mhz FSB,LGA775 type
1Mb Cache (socket 775 CPU's rather than the 478 type you have).I think these outperform the socket 478 due to the
800mhz front side bus speed and the 1MB onboard CPU cache for the same rated Ghz speed,but i'm not 100% sure

Have a look at this page for specs,price differences etc

http://www.dealtime.co.uk/xPP-Processors-P4-~LO-0

If you stick to socket 478 processors (which seem to be also
available in 800mhz FSB or 533FSB with a 1MB cache too)
there's be a question mark on wether you can go any faster than 2.8Ghz.
It depends on the BIOS in the motherboard or the switch settings available.

Also there are speed
differences in the main control
chipsets on the motherboard (the one's that deal
with the CPU and memory etc)
ie Intel vs VIA vs Nvidia etc.
To know that sort of comaparison
stuff you have to follow all the geeky spec stuff
for the P4 and i haven't,i've mainly only paid an interest in the stuff/changes for AMD cpu's


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12-08-2004 02:54 AM  13 years agoPost 65
Gus

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Paul,
If there is any chance that another application is interferring with XTR, get a copy of "End-it-all" ($6.00 usd) and run it to kill all unnecessary applications before you run XTR. That way you can insure nothing else is causing you problems.

Also used to clear the system before installing any new software.
Gus...

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12-08-2004 03:54 AM  13 years agoPost 66
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OK I think I followed most of that.... How can I tell how flexible My MB is
Here is a complete listing of CPU’s supported by that motherboard.

http://www.asus.com/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx

Note: you are going to have to type in P4V533-MX
Do I chuck that in the garbage with the Celery.
No you are going to try the P4 2Ghz loan CPU first before you part with any of that folding stuff and see how XTR runs for you. In the event it works out in that you are happy with the way XTR runs you then go and buy a p4 533 FSB CPU either used or new. Be aware that Ebay prices can be high due to people getting caught up in biding (can actually even exceed new price). There are also used computer recycling retailers about who deal with old hardware, which you could get the CPU from.

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12-08-2004 04:09 AM  13 years agoPost 67
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Problem #1- Your processor is lacking power. A 2.4Ghz Cely is the equivalent of a 1.67Ghz P4. You have a lot of physics goin on in that program and your processor is having a hard time keeping up.

Problem #2-You have your graphics card set at 4x. 9800 Pros dont run that well unless there at 8x(even tho they do use it to its full potential). I would ditch the Celly and bolt in P4. And if you really wanna go for the gusto OC your graphics card. Im running my 9800 Pro at 420/370. With the right settings I can run Doom 3 at around 65fps with high quality and full resolution.

will wash your heli for a quarter

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12-10-2004 10:08 PM  13 years agoPost 68
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Hi All.....


Well.... you'l never guess what !!!

Just got back from doing the Cerlery swap out with a P4 and yes it did the trick.. straight up to 150+ FPS without trying ... and that was on high resolution with no probs, and when Vsync on and full screen mode wow !!!! as smooth as a Babies Ass...... and that's with a P4 2.0Ghz 400FSB

So now just need to find best place to get a P4 2.8GHz 533FSB from as that's the best my MB will take by the looks of it.


A big thanks from me to all those who have contributed to this thread and taughtme a lot about XTR and PC's along the way..

Many Thanks Again

Regards
Paul

PS..... Anyone want to buy a Celery... the're really good .. honest... LOL

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12-10-2004 10:26 PM  13 years agoPost 69
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check out http://www.newegg.com or http://www.zipzoomfly.com they always got good prices on good products.

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