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12-12-2004 02:25 AM  13 years agoPost 81
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12-12-2004 05:24 AM  13 years agoPost 82
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very nice... thanks for those pics Dave. I may just be new, but I haven't seen a way to control zoom on SLRs before... pretty ingenious setup there.

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12-12-2004 07:50 AM  13 years agoPost 83
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The belt is fairly loose but the teeth on it roughly align with the ribs on the outside of the lens enough to Zoom in and out.

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01-29-2005 06:15 PM  13 years agoPost 84
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Telescoping pole, ect.
Just came upon this site yesterday via a google search. Don't know if this thread about masts is dead but I found a very interesting place out of Spain that appears to have some nice equipment. I have contacted him several times via email and they always respond promtly. I will be contacting some of you guys directly regarding masts and the business.

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http://www.altafoto.com/eng/principal.htm

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02-06-2005 04:51 PM  13 years agoPost 85
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my mail server was over quota & I missed this post.

Thanks for the link though... how much are these guys charging for their masts? Looks like a pretty nice setup.

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02-06-2005 06:21 PM  13 years agoPost 86
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Cheap Pole Aerial Photography
I just ran across this link from England.
http://www.elevatedphotos.com/
Looks like he is coming to the PMA in Orlando. His stuff is pricey but it looks nice. Looks like he did come to the same conclusion I did - the easiest and simplest way to have complete control is to use Canon Remote Capture (although he doesn't specifically mention it) to a notebook computer via USB. There are many ways of controlling the camera but this is plug-n-play. It does require the use of a Canon with a preview (meaning no dSLR). That leaves the G6 or Pro1. Since I've read many more positive reviews of the G6, that's the way I'm going. I would like to replace the linked UDB cables with wireless but haven't figured that out yet.

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02-08-2005 04:46 PM  13 years agoPost 87
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I emailed these guys... it turns out they don't use Remote Capture, but have developed their own software (I think). The entire camera is controlled via laptop, including zoom & focus control. I've only used Remote Capture w/ DSLRs (D60 & 20D), so I'm not sure if that feature is built in or not for the non-SLR digicams. Either way, it seems to be a pretty well-thought-out setup, albeit a little pricey (~ $14k w/o camera & laptop).

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02-08-2005 07:34 PM  13 years agoPost 88
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02-09-2005 03:21 AM  13 years agoPost 89
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02-10-2005 02:13 PM  13 years agoPost 90
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elevatedphotos.com
pruettsk, no,it's not Canon Remote Capture. It's Breeze Ststem's PSR remote capture, which is similar. How do I know? I emailed Chris Breeze for some info and he replied quickly and included the link to elevatedphotos.com. If you watch the movie, you will notice he has cleverly cut the top off the remote capture window so you cannot see the name of the program. I don't blame him, but......

It is pricey but you have to admit he does beautiful work. His bracketry is simple and effective. I've watched the movie many times. His pole and supports are way beyond my reach but his camera and control are exactly as I have designed, which makes me feel good. Anyone who is interested in pole photography should watch the movie.

Elevated Photos

Look at the movie and tell me this isn't his pan / tilt head.

Pan / Tilt

I look at MPA's top unit and drool. It is a work of art. And my system will have the disadvantage of a wire hanging down. And I will have a top end point and shoot, while he has a dslr. But the advantage is that it is completely out of the box, bolt together and plug 'n play. For a guy with no shop, that is a plus.

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02-10-2005 03:52 PM  13 years agoPost 91
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Dave, thanks for the info. I'll be in touch.

mspivey, so you purchased the Elevated Photos setup? I was wondering if the software was Breeze's instead. I looked into other options after I posted last. You're correct, it's a nice setup, but man, it's quite an investment at the same time. Let us know how it goes!

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02-10-2005 05:28 PM  13 years agoPost 92
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No, I can't afford it either. But I have been doing my "due diligence" on the web for several months and I had come to the same conclusions as he has, as shown by studiyng his movie carefully. Down to the same pan / tilt head. camera, linked USB cables, and use of a laptop. It gives me confidence that I'm on the right trace.

What I don't have is the base mount. My problem is I don't have access to an engineer like Geech and MPA do. I'm not sure about the forces that will be exerted on the mount. I'm looking at building it off a receiver hitch. My rig will be about 3lbs (40 ft up) and the pole is 14lbs. I'm pretty sure that if I have to get away from the car, I can lash it to a sturdy sign post. My 30' pole is easily held by hand.

You could use a dSLR with this setup but you would have to do a video downlink off the eypiece like MPA to compose the shot. I think that in bright daylight the G6 will be close enough to the drebel that I'm willing to trade the difference in quality for the lack of complexity.

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02-11-2005 02:06 AM  13 years agoPost 93
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FWIW I am still considering using the Remote Capture and USB cable up the mast.

It is an great item to plan for because of the sheer time it takes to lower the mast and review/dump pics.

Ive missed many good moments and light conditions, (even yesterday with it) becuase I took shots and had no room left when the sun poked through the clouds, and I then missed the trafic jam I was trying to capture.

With remote capture running I could bang off shots, then review them and dump some while its still up there and wait for the next opportunity.

That would have been invaluable for the big bike race I did earlier this year.
I kept missing the huge "pelletons" of bikes grouped together due to filling the card and having to drop the mast to review and clear it.

Also allows changes to camera settings for shooting which would be real handy to have control of from the ground.

And, transferring shots kept to the laptop while the action in shot is low during the waiting periods so I always have plenty of space to fire of a big swag of shots each time and get all the action.

The wire up the pole is a bit of a sticking point but for that ive figured all I need is a set of cable securing hoops over the top of each sliding section to support the USB cable at each pole section as it goes up, the main concern is flapping of the cable.

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02-12-2005 05:41 AM  13 years agoPost 94
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Head weight / sway
MPA, I've experienced that with my baby step efforts (hand held 30' pole with a string to take the picture). I actually found that I could lean the pole a little and take all the slack out and it was very steady (no oscillations). I see that Geach has done the same thing with offset bushings so that his pole has a natural curve.

Have you looked at the video at ElevatedPhotos.com ?

I could not get it to load with FireFox and had to use IE. I learned a lot from the video - since you already have a rig, you may learn less but I think you will find it interesting. Looks like he is using a Clark Mast.

They use a two cable wrapped harness, since they are using the pan/tilt head with a corded remote. I see you have a wireless heli - style rig, so you would only need the one cord. The way I kept my string from flapping is that I used velcro - the hook side glued around the top of each section. Then I would wrap a length of double-sided velcro around that and capuure a carabiner in that. Made a light and easy guide. However, I don't think a free swaying cord will impart any vibration - since it is not under tension like a guy is - but it is annoying.

One consideration is to take any load off the USB/camera connection. I am going to attach a caribiner to the cable a couple of feet down with very tight tie-wraps (the modern day bailing wire). I will drill a hole in the mount and clip the caribiner into that so that any pull on the cable will be taken by the caribiner instead of the plug. Since your rig slips on the mast you could attach a ring like they did. Just leave plenty of slack cord between the camera and the caribiner or ring and you will have plenty of rotation-ability.

Did you see my link on the USB cables? you can also Google "USB linked cables". The one I linked to looks best to me. I've got ordered and in shipment now.
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02-12-2005 12:59 PM  13 years agoPost 95
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Hi Mike

The Mast at ElevatedPhotos.com is a Clark Mast
It is the same one I was going to buy originally.
You can see pics of it on the Clark Masts web site.

The mast was about AU$10,000 add to that all the accesories and there are many.
Stakes, weights, tripods, guys.

Looked at the Video
It confirms what I first thought, a Clark Mast isnt for me.
For one thing just too expensive.

Also the time it takes to setup, 6 mins, maybe on a van but I challenge anyone to setup a tripod rig in 6 mins.

Rgds
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02-12-2005 02:27 PM  13 years agoPost 96
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Dave,
Here is the link to the linked USB cables.

Linked RSB cables

I was glad to hear your thoughts on stakes, weights, and time to erect. I couldn't agree more. I think vehicle or trailer mount is the simplest.

One advantage I will have is weight. My pole will weigh 14 lbs and the rig should come in at 3 lbs. I would like to make it even lighter. Just looking at your wonderful rig, I would guess it to be about 4 to 4.5 lbs (because of the heavier camera and extra transmitters, batteries, etc). That's a lot of leverage at 50'. Mine will only be 40'. The round 30' pole I just bought (and may not use) is a little wiggly without the rig, but not too bad. I'm hoping the triangular 40' Tel-o-pole will be about the same with the rig. Would love to have "power up" but I need to crawl first.

Speaking of triangular, what were your considerations regarding round vs. square tubing?

I learned a lot of things from the video, even though I didn't agree with everything. Down to using an ice chest as an equipment storage box. Less attractive to thieves.

IMike

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02-12-2005 02:53 PM  13 years agoPost 97
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Dave,

Just got an email from Chris Breeze, the remote capture software guy. I had sent him a query about availability of a wireless solution. I suggested that such a solution would make his software much more valuable. He says he is going to the PMA convention and will look around to see what he can find.

It seems to me if you can operate a printer wirelessly, why not a camera? They are both 2 way communication.

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02-12-2005 06:48 PM  13 years agoPost 98
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I was glad to hear your thoughts on stakes, weights, and time to erect. I couldn't agree more. I think vehicle or trailer mount is the simplest.
yeah, Dave you've got some great points & I'm in agreement as well. Thanks.

Mike - regarding wireless control of a cam, are you thinking w/ full video & data transmission as well as focus/zoom control, or just a way to trip a shutter?

Have you guys considered running cable *inside* the mast tubing? ...or is this not possible if the telescoping function is pneumatic?

regards,
~ scott

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02-12-2005 08:42 PM  13 years agoPost 99
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I'm talking about operating Canon or Breeze remote capture wirelessly over 802.11b instead of USB.

Anyone who has a Canon camera has Remote Capture on the software CD. If you installed Zoombrowser, you already have it installed. To see what I am talking about put your camera on a tripod next to the PC. Get the PC to recognize the camera (the camera must be in Play mode). Noavgate to the Remote capture section. Play around with it and you will see what I mean. The dRebel and 20D don't have preview like the Powershots do but everything else should be the same. Try it, you'll like it.
Mike

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02-12-2005 08:46 PM  13 years agoPost 100
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Mike

Looked at the link

Looks like a reasonable solution for cabling, although I would be tempted to go for the super extender that uses CAT5 cable in between the USB units for 150ft range.

That would give plenty of slack to run up the mast as well as across the trailer and into the vehicle.

The USB active cables are 16ft and can run 4 in line giving 64ft, that only 14 ft of slack after the mast height.

4 active cables would cost $50

The super extender would work out to $90 but gives 3 times the distance.
Then there is the cable damage issue, CAT5 is cheap at $13 for 150ft.
And, the cable weight up 50ft with 4 active extender electronics packages in line.
A single CAT5 up the 50ft would be a fair bit lighter I suspect.

In the end the super extender would be my choice.

But, I hope he finds a wireless unit.

At 30ft and working next to the base of the mast you only need 2 x 16ft active cables which would be fine.

Rgds
Dave

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