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11-08-2004 04:57 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Comanche Man

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it's soo fun, just started it a while ago and i'm addicted.

Did about three tanks of it soo far, keeping it atleast forty feet high and only nose in.

My question is why does the left and right stay the same tail in to tail in inverted, but the elavator gets reversed, never quite understood why?

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11-10-2004 02:59 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Gary

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I'm just now starting to try this. I can't keep it still yet but I think it's because my fingers are shaking the sticks. It's why I love helis though. You never run out of things to learn.

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11-10-2004 03:20 PM  13 years agoPost 3
TMoore

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Look at the swashplate dude. Roll is roll when the tail is in. Fore/aft is going to reverse, it has to.

Fly the disk and don't worrry about it.

TM

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11-11-2004 12:51 AM  13 years agoPost 4
pilot74

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Congrads Comanche Man well done,
ive just conquered this also.. what a rush

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12-03-2004 05:57 PM  13 years agoPost 5
jusrap

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how to perform funnels
i am trying to perform funnels
any ideas and tips from you 3d experts

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12-03-2004 06:32 PM  13 years agoPost 6
rcheliflyer

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Great Job Commanche Man

As far as the roll, it stays the same as the heli is still rolling the same way, the elevator is backwards as is the collective due to the inverted
position in relation to the pilot / ground.

The rewards of inverted flight are well worth the effort !!

Funnel's,

There are all sorts upright and inverted, basically a tight turn nose or tail
in / down that is funnel shaped.
I'm no expert , but the inverted tail down is not too hard.
From an upright hover nose pointing to left hit a bit of pos coll
pull heli back to about 2 o'clock 35-45deg, then neg coll, after heli starts moving a bit add in left cyclic and left rudder, more cyclic than rudder.
This will be an inverted backwards turn that is tightend up to form a funnel or opened up to a pie dish.

Adjust control inputs to taste

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12-03-2004 09:54 PM  13 years agoPost 7
PaulH-MA

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Why don't you start your own thread rather than stealing someone else's? You'll probably receive many more replys than you will here.
how to perform funnels
i am trying to perform funnels
any ideas and tips from you 3d experts

--Paul

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12-04-2004 10:18 AM  13 years agoPost 8
w.pasman

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My question is why does the left and right stay the same tail in to tail in inverted, but the elavator gets reversed, never quite understood why?
Nothing is reversed. But you are looking the wrong way. Try standing upside down

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12-06-2004 11:11 PM  13 years agoPost 9
jusrap

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paulhma

Sorry mate i'm not that rude

Try looking on page 4 ,main discussion i'm not sure how this got here

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12-28-2004 09:42 AM  13 years agoPost 10
iyoy

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Hi ComancheMan,

I just learned nose in inverted hover myself today. I had an expert flier buddy cord me to make it safer. It wasn't easy but it was a lot easier than I expected. My instructor started me from a tail in hover at about 40 feet and entry via forward or back flip. Once established in hover inverted, the key orientation thoughts were: ailerons- reverse (same as in upright nose in hover); elevator- push to move heli away from me, pull to move it toward me; rudder- steer the nose: left rudder, nose points to my left and right rudder nose points to my right. Of course collective is reversed. Also always remember your bailout is pushover to a forward flip to upright.

At the start (first 2 tanks), I found myself overcontrolling and the instructor had to save me several times. Then I kinda just let the heli settle down a bit and make my control inputs a lot less and voila! I was hovering. It just happens. By my 5th tank, I was hovering by myself the whole tankfull without needing a save. Tomorrow, I'm going to start flying around inverted...on the cord of course.

iyoy

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12-28-2004 02:49 PM  13 years agoPost 11
rob10000

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here's some advice for all you folks learning inverted hovering..

Make sure you still spend equal time on upright hovering!
If you don't, you might find yourself giving an incorrect input when your right side up.

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12-28-2004 06:00 PM  13 years agoPost 12
yugi

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Maryland

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rob10000, how true that is! I'm just staring to learn inverted hover and when I flip it upright, I find myself making the wrong correctiosn.

If you keep doing the same thing…...you’re going to get the same results!

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01-28-2005 09:18 AM  13 years agoPost 13
V-22 Osprey

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rob10000 is so right. I almost learned this the hard way, shortly after I started flying. I worked nose in (not inverted) for 3-4 tanks one day. Turned the thing around and almost lost it. Luckly my brain kicked in after a bit!

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02-16-2005 08:25 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Fuujin04

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Layton Utah

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Good Job!!!

Now it's time to fly that thing around inverted. It's easier than you might think. Just do a half roll during forward flight.... but always remember, have an out.
Now for a moment of ZEN. I'm a fighter pilot and by the job discription, I must always think in 3D. But I get most of my learning not by spending your tax dollars on fuel, but by using my idle brain time to rehearse procedures and maneuvers. Here's the trick, just concentrate on a mental image of your heli. Make simple moves in your head really slowly. Corelate those movements to the sticks. You would be amazed at how much this helps.... it's the original simulator. You might think that i'm full of it, but this has helped me tremendously with flying F-16s as well as my R50v2. I learned this "Russian" technique of mental rehearsal while trainnig to pole vault in high school. Air Force pilots just call it chair flying.
Please excuse the spelling... remember they teach monkeys to do what I do.

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