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11-07-2004 04:12 PM  13 years agoPost 1
shackscs

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Hello everyone. I obtained a Concept 30DX helo with a Futuba Conquest FP-T5NLH tx. There is a Futaba FP-G154 Digital Proportional Radio Control System and Gyro installed. It has Metal paddles and wooden main blades. The rubberbands that held the battery in place are hard and brittle. I don't have a charger to charge the Tx or the on-board battery.

It also came with bag full of goodies at that are still in the bag:

-H-3028 Starting Cone and Fan
-A metal starter cone
-A replacement starter cone
-From I could tell, a clutch (Looks like one Tower's Website)
-Cooling Fan.
-Washers, screws (Hex and Phillips), nylon screws (The same as the ones that keep the canopy on.)
-Control Rods (Four different sizes)
-Heavy brass thingy that is threaded at one end.
-Another bag of screws and stuff
-H3108 Rod Ends
-H3009 Mixing Lever Set
-Hex Wrenches
-Raves 1080 Tail Rotor Blades.

I have wanted to get started in flying Helos and was looking at the micros, but to be honest they are too small.
What I wanted to know was, is this bird worth spending any additional money on? I realize that I have to get a starter and obviously a powersupply to charge both the Tx and the on-board battery. I am willing to do this, but is this helo worth keeping and using as a beginner instead of the micros?

Or could I get rid of it and keep the electronics to place into another helo? Assuming that they work.

I also want to put a Jet Ranger fuse. on it if at all possible.

I have seen the price of new 30 size helos, and while I don't mind too much, I would want to cut my teeth on something cheaper and this came along at the right time. I have read that this helo is a good starter but the age makes getting parts difficult.


I could use anyone's help.

Thanks.

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11-07-2004 05:02 PM  13 years agoPost 2
nivlek

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I learned to fly on a Concept 30 DX , a long long time ago.It was a nice little heli in its day but you would be much better off with a modern machine with spares available off the shelf. I definately wouldn't start to spend any money on it.The gyro is very out dated but would do for starters, but the Futaba Conquest will definately hold back your progress.I hate to say it, but I would recomend that you sell the whole lot on and start again.

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11-07-2004 07:47 PM  13 years agoPost 3
earl

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I guess, at the end of the day it depends how much you paid for it. You will still need starting gear for any heli you buy so that will not be wasted. Electric micro helicopters, in my opinion are not for beginners as most are fixed pitch and very twitchy.

Unfortunately I would agree with other chap that you would be better to get rid of it and buy something like a Raptor, which is an excellent model, and spares are easily available and cheap if you do have a mishap.

Alaways better to seek advice before you part with your hard earned cash.


Trevor

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11-08-2004 06:30 AM  13 years agoPost 4
Fullagas

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Depends what you paid for it and what else is needed.

Getting it ready to fly should be low-cost and will make it better to sell as a package. If the start cone is plastic, put the metal one on. One charger that you could get is the Hobbico Multi-Charger. It's a 'dumb' charger, no timer or auto-charge circuits, but it will charge 4 different packs simultaneously from 100ma to 5 amps overnight. About $40, and something you can keep for other helis or planes.

The heli and transmitter packs may be old, and if in doubt it's best to buy new ones. A 1.0 or 1.2 amp battery would be good for the heli, since Concepts are tail-heavy and nose weight is usually needed.

You run the risk as I did of, once it's ready to fly, getting bit by the bug. The C30 is a great ship, will do limited aerobatics, and even the radio isn't bad. It won't 'hold you back', they worked just fine in their day for thousands of pilots. I still have my first Concept, along with the Kyosho 5-channel radio they sold at that time.

My opinion, it's a great low-cost trainer. I still find parts, just depends what you break. Normal crash parts aren't a problem.

Good luck.

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Flying helis since gyros had springs.

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11-08-2004 08:27 PM  13 years agoPost 5
greenboot

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I flew Concepts for several years, but you will make life much simpler if you purchase a new machine. My progress and enjoyment increased dramatically when I got a good flying heli. I'm not saying Concepts can't fly nicely, but why start out with something that is obsolete?

Tom

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11-09-2004 01:46 AM  13 years agoPost 6
shackscs

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Ok, I have put the Helo up for sale on Ebay. Thanks very much for all of the help and advice. Next time I'll do a bit more research before plunking down any hard earned cash.

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11-11-2004 01:51 PM  13 years agoPost 7
concept1

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Youngstown, OH

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the concept is really a very good flying heli. it's your radio and gyro that is the problem. i would sell the radio, may only get $25-50 for it, and find a good used radio, anything with 5pt pitch curves which can be found in the $75-200 range easily. get yourself a futabe gy401 gyro this will be the biggest improvement. now your old concept will fly verynicely.
I have flown them for years and they will deffinatly get you started. to make them fly very well, you will need some upgrades. Most old Dx's have the old OSmotors, the newer OS 32 sx-h has tons more power and really livens it up. toss those metal paddles and put on a set of KSJ's go with some harder dampers and you are set for mild 3D, it will flip, roll fly inverted and etc. with just a better gyro it will hover just as good as any other. I'd recomend a newer computer radio with 5pt curves just because it will last much longer, you will keep your radio for your next bird and it will make things so much easyer and smoother. these Concepts regularly bring $150-175 on ebay and are really a good deal for a starter. upgrading your electronics will just speed up the learning curve, it will work as is but will just take longer to get over the learning curve.

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11-11-2004 03:44 PM  13 years agoPost 8
shackscs

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Wow, the most encouraging words yet. I wish you were around before I put it up on Ebay. But I figure by the time I replace all of the stuff mentioned, I could get a Sport Hawk and start from there. But I do really appreciate all of the help that I have gotten from everyone.

I was talked out of getting micro by several people, so it looks like I might be starting with a new Sport Hawk .30. At $159.99 I can't go wrong. (Of course I have to add of all of the other stuff.)

You will be hearing more from me...............................

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11-11-2004 03:59 PM  13 years agoPost 9
concept1

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well, keep in mind if it doesn't sell, parts are very cheap and easily found on ebay for them. I have had several of them in the past.

the hawk Sport is a great heli as well and yes the price is right. if $$ is a problem I recomend looking for a used radio, either here on RR or ebay. I still use my old JR x-347 PCM and have no need to upgrade you can look into any of the 7channel computer radios and probably find something that will last many years, most 7 ch radios will have the 5 pt pitch curves and at least 1 free mix I know the JR line up x347 388 378 are great choices for under $150 as are the newer 8103 and such. servo's yhou can start cheap and add later just get something with bearings. if you do go used just check it out first, do a good range test first, kind of give it the shake test to make sure you don't get any glitches and if in dought sent it in for a check up,i think about $25-35. if you do think you will stick with it do not buy a 6ch radio, it will just be a waste of money unless it was a super cheap buy. most people will outgrow a 6 ch radio is less then 1 yr. it will work but not recomended.

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11-11-2004 09:47 PM  13 years agoPost 10
shykmaster

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I started out with a concept 30 dx many, many years ago and can tell you that its just not worth putting more into such an outdated machine. Get yourself a raptor 50 v2. Cheap replacement parts and a great platform to fill all of your needs. It'll take you from hovering all the way into heavy 3d. I wouldn't even bother getting a 30 size machine.

good luck
Josh

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11-11-2004 10:30 PM  13 years agoPost 11
shackscs

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This is going to be my first heli, and didn't want to ruch into it. Which is what I did when I got the Century. I have a couple of other questions but I will ask them in a seperate thread.

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